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Battle Ground !!!SPOILERS!!!
vultur:
--- Quote from: ClintACK on September 03, 2020, 09:36:59 AM ---Given the existence of a perfect magical prison, I'd imagine that arguments against the death penalty would be on stronger ground.
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Demonreach isn't really for mortals, Harry was desperate in PT.
And I don't think mortal governments would be OK with using Demonreach, given how absolute the Warden's power is there.
(Plus, anyone who isn't the Warden gets affected by the inherent awful/creepy aura of Demonreach, so anyone who reported to a mortal government on that option would probably be like "no freaking way we will not have anything to do with this place ever".)
--- Quote ---But even for non-capital offenses, it's hard to imagine mortal governments just handing over magical criminals for trial and punishment in an entirely independent system of government. That works fine right now, when those magical criminals and independent courts officially don't exist, but after?
And the merging of magical justice into mortal justice comes with all kinds of pitfalls.
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Yeah, exactly, that was more the sort of thing I was talking about re: being a bad fit for the modern model of nations where jurisdiction, citizenship, and territory are so closely linked.
It would work a lot better in a medieval-style system, eg, how there were Church courts and often the secular courts didn't have jurisdiction over Church officials.
In such a system, it would make perfect sense that magical practitioners, wherever they live, are under the jurisdiction of the White Council and not that of the mundane justice system (at least for magic-related crimes).
But not in the modern post-17th-century model of nations.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Demonreach isn't really for mortals, Harry was desperate in PT.
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But is Thomas really considered a mortal? Do we know of any Vamps that died of old age? They can be killed, but so can some immortals under the right circumstance.
knnn:
Thorn manacles?
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: vultur on September 04, 2020, 02:20:55 AM ---No... Maggie Sr aimed her death curse at Lord Raith who was definitely not present. (And Harry's description of preparing to use his against Grevane when he thought Morgan was going to kill him in DB also sounds like you can just aim it mentally.)
Vision might matter for less capable spellcasters, but it's by no means absolutely necessary.
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Point of order, Maggie set her death curse up in advance. And it would have bounced off Raith if Jim is to be believed. My current WAG is that she attacked the Raith's demon through Thomas's demon. And for all we know she did it on her way out the door.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 04, 2020, 04:11:07 PM ---But is Thomas really considered a mortal? Do we know of any Vamps that died of old age? They can be killed, but so can some immortals under the right circumstance.
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--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 04, 2020, 10:47:07 PM ---Point of order, Maggie set her death curse up in advance. And it would have bounced off Raith if Jim is to be believed.
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If she had aimed it at him directly, yeah. But IIRC the curse is like a "shield" around Lord Raith, ie it doesn't actually affecthim just keeps energy from getting to him. He can still use his Hunger to influence the minds of others, he just can't get new energy from feeding.
--- Quote --- My current WAG is that she attacked the Raith's demon through Thomas's demon. And for all we know she did it on her way out the door.
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She couldn't have, because if she'd cast it then she would have died (and never had met Malcolm and Harry would never have been born).
And so Thomas wasn't available (he was still with the Raiths) so that wouldn't avoid the need for it to be non-line-of-sight.
I also just don't think there's any evidence for death curses being based on line-of-sight; Harry doesn't seem to think so when he's preparing for one in DB (when Morgan's about to kill him and he thinks about aiming it at Grevane).
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