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Chapter 4 Drop
123Chikadee:
@morriswalters: I do too actually, mainly b/c from a Doylist perspective it kinda narrows things down. i mean we don't see Harry doing too many parent-y things.
@Mira: I gotta brush up on the subject. But I'm not too sure if her nationality is even listed as American. You would think Susan would would lie about that due to trying to cover up tracks for Maggie.
I'm not sure it matters too much about her being American, she was taken from one country to another by people who had no legal
rights to her.
Oh yeah you're right that def happens. I wish we would get more details but I don't think we will, prolly b/c Butcher doesn't want to. True he can.
IIRC, it's the Carpenters who have 'legal' custody over Maggie. Though how they felt about any presumed danger Harry posed to Maggie wouldn't matter b/c it wouldn't be up to them but the law. And when kids get removed from biological parents its not always b/c of abuse, there are various factors that can go into cases. Harry's background would be looked into as a matter of course on top of having home visits from social workers. He might not get custody b/c of not having a steady income, his relationship w/ the police would be something they'd look into and who his associates and friends are. There's also where he's living now and they'd wonder where he got the finances for it. Hm, now that I really think on it, they'd probably be suspicious on that alone.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 25, 2020, 11:24:29 AM ---If Maggie was Guatemalan, but she wasn't, born in Guatemala maybe, but her parents were both American, that makes her a natural born American.
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jus sanguinis or jus soli? Nationality can be a minefield and even make you stateless. Ask a lawyer to know how this will work out ;D
--- Quote ---It wasn't an international adoption, little Maggie was always American.
Oh parents claim rights all of the time, or rather it happens. Especially when babies are adopted, the mother gives the child up, but the father at the time cannot be found. Some have come back even a few years later to demand their parental rights. Now that maybe reformed, but oddly blood matters more than nurturing.. Also it isn't clear that little Maggie was formally adopted by the family she lived with, they may have merely fostered her. Actually I cannot see Susan giving her baby up for adoption, if she had, the Red King might not have been able to trace her. Whether Harry's name is on the birth certificate or not, there is something called a DNA test.
Yes, but not as often as they should. However in those cases they need a lot of proof that the parent is harming the child. There is no proof that Harry is abusing her nor that she is in danger where she is living. Also I doubt that the Carpenters would have allowed her to go and live with Harry if they felt she was in danger by doing so.
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She is a guest of the winter lady, that should offer some protection.
123Chikadee:
@Arjan: Protection from mortals?
Mira:
--- Quote ---I'm not sure it matters too much about her being American, she was taken from one country to another by people who had no legal
rights to her.
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As I said, she lived with a family, but did they formally adopt her? Or did she just live with a family?
Harry never signed his parental rights away, so he still has a say, and yeah that can get very messy.
--- Quote --- gotta brush up on the subject. But I'm not too sure if her nationality is even listed as American.
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If her parents were both American, that is what she is, now perhaps at a later date she can claim duel citizenship because she was born in another country. However she is still an American by birth.
Whether the Carpenters had legal custody or not to little Maggie, apparently they willingly signed her over to her biological father. There was no court fight of any kind, if the Carpenters felt she was in danger by living with her father they would have raised the issue, then the law would have stepped in. The Carpenters fostered her which is different from legal adoption. In most cases the state encourages that children be reunited with their biological parents or parent. While we know all the dangerous stuff Harry has been in the middle of, most of that is hidden from the vanilla law. In short they'd wouldn't find any evidence that Maggie would be put in danger by living with her father.
Actually by that standard a lot of kids could be taken away from good parents because the occupation of the parent might make the kids a target, that doesn't happen. I am talking politicians,
military, police, entertainment, and in some cases medical, all are occupations where the deranged or power hungry might consider their kids fair game, but these kids are not removed from their parents.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: 123Chikadee on June 25, 2020, 12:20:59 PM ---@Arjan: Protection from mortals?
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That is a problem in Michael's house but the winter lady fixed that. Protection from mortals is not really an issue in Molly's apartment.
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