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Chapter 4 Drop
123Chikadee:
@knightedbishop: Yeah I think it's how he dies that counts. Oh, yeah that's also a good point that Eb could be the cause of the schism. I like how it shows growth on Harry's part but I do think its more of a point that Harry leads a pretty dangerous life and that won't stop anytime soon. I'm not sure just how safe Maggie will be tbh.
@Dina: I don't think people will come after Harry so direct after this, if they do it's b/c they are unleashing him and they found a way to make sure he'll be too enraged to think about what/how he's doing things.
@Yuillegan: Yeah I see what you mean. I'm glad you're thinking more critically than me. :) I wouldn't have caught this. The secrecy on the BC is usually well reasoned but it gets to point where nothing could get done if people didn't compare notes on some scale. Or at least found/invented a way to detect it/their signature, what have you.
Hm, I think that Harry's need for family is overriding his common sense. I know he's saying that Maggie needs a dad but what she needs is safety and I'm not entirely convinced that he can provide that. I mean, sure, he can physically repel enemies but when you've got someone like Lara as an enemy, well she won't go for an obvious move. But I think Harry's projecting a little, and this is why he talks about Eb not being able to protect Maggie Sr.
That's a good idea about Michael setting such a standard and yeah Harry doesn't really want to stop doing what he's doing. Maybe a part of learning all this stuff the hard way is taking Maggie(and Mouse) somewhere else. B/c by the time Harry realizes that he he'd have to choose between saving the world or being a parent, it'll be too late. Eb getting killed is just icing on the cake.
I think Susan's plan to keep Maggie safe would have worked if she hadn't gotten involved in Maggie's life. I think Harry's choices will make it worse for Maggie. Eb's line about putting aside personal feelings could well be foreshadowing for that.
@CrusherJen: Yeah probably.
@Arjan: Yeah sometimes the conflict is a little too forced. That whole time I was just wondering why they didn't go back inside to have that conversation, like, people can see you.
@EBRIEN: I hope so. I like hurt/comfort but I like the latter more.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Hm, I think that Harry's need for family is overriding his common sense. I know he's saying that Maggie needs a dad but what she needs is safety and I'm not entirely convinced that he can provide that. I mean, sure, he can physically repel enemies but when you've got someone like Lara as an enemy, well she won't go for an obvious move. But I think Harry's projecting a little, and this is why he talks about Eb not being able to protect Maggie Sr.
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Point is though, there is no place where little Maggie is going to be completely safe. As I pointed out Michael's place is vulnerable to ordinary humans and to those from the Nevernever, so if someone really wanted her, they could take her. To grow emotionally and mentally healthy, Maggie also has to live as normal a life as possible, that means she cannot be a prisoner of Michael's place. She was going to school for example, now she does have a big Foo dog as her protector, that is about as good as it gets. It looks like there is pretty good security from the elves where she is at now, Mouse protects her, and Harry can be there as dad.
123Chikadee:
Well, the point I'm trying to make is that being with Harry doesn't make her safer and could in fact, do the opposite. I read a review/recap of 'Christmas Eve' that helped me, b/c it had math/timelines to figure out and from there I could think of a non-violent example for things. With those dates, 'Changes' took place in 2008 and 'Christmas Eve' either takes place in 2011 or 2014. (Which means the youngest Maggie can be is 11 and 14 at the oldest).
And my example is that b/c Maggie has been illegally adopted, as Guatemala closed its doors to international adoption in 2008, and despite whatever paperwork Father Forthill did to arrange things, the fact that Maggie is there unlawfully doesn't change. If a baddie like Lara wanted to use mortal resources to use mortal authorities to take Maggie away they could.
I'm not sure how healthy it is for Maggie to be raised by the man who killed her birth mother.
For anyone who's curious about the timelines or just want a look: (https://anagnorisisawakening.dreamwidth.org/4043.html)
Mira:
--- Quote from: 123Chikadee on June 24, 2020, 09:52:59 PM ---Well, the point I'm trying to make is that being with Harry doesn't make her safer and could in fact, do the opposite. I read a review/recap of 'Christmas Eve' that helped me, b/c it had math/timelines to figure out and from there I could think of a non-violent example for things. With those dates, 'Changes' took place in 2008 and 'Christmas Eve' either takes place in 2011 or 2014. (Which means the youngest Maggie can be is 11 and 14 at the oldest).
And my example is that b/c Maggie has been illegally adopted, as Guatemala closed its doors to international adoption in 2008, and despite whatever paperwork Father Forthill did to arrange things, the fact that Maggie is there unlawfully doesn't change. If a baddie like Lara wanted to use mortal resources to use mortal authorities to take Maggie away they could.
I'm not sure how healthy it is for Maggie to be raised by the man who killed her birth mother.
For anyone who's curious about the timelines or just want a look: (https://anagnorisisawakening.dreamwidth.org/4043.html)
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Illegally adopted by whom? Harry is her biological father, is a formal adoption required for custody? Technically when Harry killed her, Susan was no longer Susan, she was the youngest Red Court Vamp, otherwise the spell reversal would not have worked. Father Forthill may not have had to pull any strings, since there is no evidence that the Carpenters formally adopted her. Also since both her parents were American citizens, little Maggie was one as well, so I don't think Guatemala would have
much say. I don't recall it being said that she had been formally adopted or otherwise by the family she spent her first years with.
Dina:
Ok, this is just my opinion, but I believe is too late for granting Maggie's safety. The supernatural work knows she exists, she will be in danger anyway. So, you can take precautions to have her as safe as possible but the girl needs more that physical security, she needs love. So, given that no place is 100% safe, why not give her the chance to be "as safe as possible" with her dad? Gosh, I so want them to live in a real home with a real threshold, but for now, the place she currently is is quite safe. Yes, this is a JB Butcher, so Maggie will probably be in danger in some point of the book, but in universe, what Harry says is rational enough. And as Mira said, he has emotional reasons to react to Eb they way he did, even when he said hurtful things that he shouldn't. Eb was hurtful himself, very much and treating Harry as a kid.
And yes, as many have said, the conflict feels at least a little forced but I am so happy because at least they talked.
Oh, another little thing, have you noticed how Maggie, even when scared and feeling it was her fault that Harry and Eb got mad, never really seemed to be scared of Harry? I am sure that kid loves her dad, so now you cannot ask her to be apart from him. She is not a baby anymore, and I am sure she wants to be with Harry.
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