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KlausGerken:
I'm rereading the novels in anticipation of "Peace Talks". Ms. Asher just rocked the Gate of Fire.

(click to show/hide)“She’s redirecting the energy,” I said. “See how when the waves hit her, they bounce off, all swirly?” He grunted. “She’s taking the heat and turning it into kinetic energy as it reaches her aura. It’s impressive as hell.” “So far,” Grey said. “But why do you say that?” “Because it’s hard to deal with that much heat, when you’re immersed in it,” I said. “She’s not just stopping it at one point. She’s dealing with it from every angle, and she’s got to be doing the same enchantment about a dozen times at once to stop it all, in successive layers.” “And that’s hard?” “Tell you what,” I said. “Why don’t you go play Simon, Concentration, checkers, chess, solitaire, Monopoly, Sudoku, Clue, Risk, Axis and Allies, poker, and blackjack all at the same time, while counting to twenty thousand by prime numbers only, standing on one foot and balancing a Styrofoam cup of hot coffee on your head. And when you can do that, we’ll start you

Butcher, Jim. Skin Game (The Dresden Files, Book 15) (S.311). Little, Brown Book Group. Kindle-Version.
So she is much better at pyromancy then Harry. Much like Mort is better at his stuff then Harry. But the rules for refinements seem to enforce that a wizard gets better if he has control over more elements - because to get specialization boni, he needs to create a column: Ie: To get a +3 in Fire control, you also need a +2 (maybe in Fire power) and a +1 (in a different element).

So if I would build Ms. Asher, she would be worse then a wizard because she simply could not take a similar amount of refinement stunts.

Any idea on how to change that?

Taran:
The scene you're describing is, simply, a block against the Fire Damage or the Environmental Damage.

For someone who is super-good at one element, you could break it into 3 elements...like:  Light; Heat; and something else...dunno. 

It makes sense that she'd have air, though, too.  ANyways, that lets her build a bigger pyramid but it's all fire related.

(click to show/hide)She was possessing a Denarian, so she might have had Hellfire too.

KlausGerken:
Sure, its a Block - but its one done with magic. So she would - as usual - define the block strength, need the conviction to do it and roll discipline.

And she would need to be better then Harry, which I don't see her doing using DFRPG as written - that's why I'm asking. And I don't think she has Air - but even if she does, Harry would still be better then her in his best element, just because of the colums the refinement stunt requires.

Regarding your spoiler: I assume Harry, who looked at her rather closely, would have noticed that.

I tried to give up on the columns and just let my players buy refinements up as you like. But that's very, very beneficial for people who use sponsored magic. Also: Wizards are by far stronger then everybody else in the high-refresh games, so I don't really want to remove one of the few things that limit them.



--- Quote from: Taran on June 21, 2020, 09:44:29 PM ---The scene you're describing is, simply, a block against the Fire Damage or the Environmental Damage.

For someone who is super-good at one element, you could break it into 3 elements...like:  Light; Heat; and something else...dunno. 

It makes sense that she'd have air, though, too.  ANyways, that lets her build a bigger pyramid but it's all fire related.

(click to show/hide)She was possessing a Denarian, so she might have had Hellfire too.
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KlausGerken:
Actually... on page 181 it states that a focused practioner can take refinement only to get more focus item slots.

vultur:
Yeah, the DFRPG rules (written before we saw more of what Mort could do in Ghost Story, or Hannah Ascher in Skin Game) don't really represent the power level we've seen from "focused practitioners" in the post-Changes books.


--- Quote from: KlausGerken on June 23, 2020, 09:21:06 PM ---Regarding your spoiler: I assume Harry, who looked at her rather closely, would have noticed that.

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(click to show/hide)Outright use of Hellfire as a power source, yes, but Lasciel could still have been helping out in other ways; precision and efficiency rather than extra raw power.

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