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Dina:
Yes, when we met Mab Harry says that there would be no problem in watching her eyes as there could not be a soulgaze because Fae have no souls (Harry said there are other reasons not to look a Fae in the eyes, but not that).
That generated a lot  of conversation here about Lily (long before Molly). There was a WoJ where Jim said that Lily was deluding herself to believe that she could not become a total fae. That was one of the WoJ I think we should take with caution, as it seems with Molly Jim changed a little his idea.
I do remember I was so angry about Molly becoming the Lady precisely for that reason. As a catholic, the idea of a young girl losing her soul just because "she was in the wrong place in the wrong moment" was terrible.
BUT, then, apparently JB said something about Mab having a residual soul or something like this. This is a complicated topic here, mainly because Harry's comment about faeries souls could be wrong simply because in universe Harry is wrong (there is speculation that that particular piece of lore came from Bob, who could be biased himself. He has a story with Mab)

Regenbogen:
Ah, that was in Summer Knight. I didn't remember the soul part. Yes. Maybe Harry just doesn't know better.
As I didn't remember the soul comment, I just assumed a soulgaze can only happen from human soul to human soul, and that other souls wouldn't be compatible, just like you can communicate with your dog, but you can't understand exactly, what he says. I just put in my personal belief, that every living being has a soul. Or as stated in Ghost Story by "Mr. Sunshine" or Bob(I think?): "You are a soul. You have a body" (quote not looked up or verified, just from memory). So a wizard can't soulgaze a fae, because they have fae souls, not human souls.
If a halfling becomes fae, his soul changes to fae, too.
If a human becomes one of the Queens, it could be, that the soul is gradually changed to a fae one, but not lost in my theory.

Sorry, a bit off topic, and I am sure this has been discussed before somewhere in this forum, but I have not read it. These are just my thoughts, and why I think, the Lady's soul isn't lost, only changed when and if she becomes fae.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Regenbogen on June 23, 2020, 07:15:51 PM ---@Mira
Why would Molly's soul be lost? I don't see it that way. Does Mab have no soul? Do the fae have no souls? I can't remember having read anything about that.

--- End quote ---
  Mab was human once, but now she is mostly Fae, they supposedly have no souls.  So does Mab still have a hint of a soul?   Who knows?   Yeah, I remember the comment about the problem with trying to do a soul gaze with one of the Fae is they have no soul.  However does that extend to those who are half human or were human once?

Arjan:
Or maybe the hang up with your soul is overblown. Mab and Gard seem to think that finding your purpose is the real important thing. It could also be a transformation, your soul is not gone, just changed. Uriel did not seem concerned for Molly.

“Um,” Bob said. “Complicated. Think of your spirit-self as a seed. Your soul is the Um,” Bob said. “Complicated. Think of your spirit-self as a seed. Your soul is earth it grows in. You need both when you die. The way I’ve heard it . . . they sort of blend together to become something new. It’s a caterpillar-butterfly thing.”
 

Dina:
Regen, yes, you can perfectly be right. Truth is we still don't have enough information to be 100% sure. I mean, it is written "Fae have no soul" but it is said for an unreliable narrator and in the specific context of a soulgaze. Just a comment, here in the forum we do a lot of free-style RPG, with different characters and stuff. And our canon has been yes, faeries and vampires have a soul. Only it is a different soul. It can be detected by other means, not soulgazes  :)
By the way, I believe the quote about the existence of other reasons not to look at someone's eyes was about Bianca (so, a vampire) not about Mab. I had those two situations confused, sorry about that.

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