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New Drop Chapter Three
Regenbogen:
Btw, Thomas doesn't know that Eb is his grandfather, does he? I'm not sure. Haven't found the chapter yet, where Harry has the grandfather talk with Eb in Changes. I think it was before the limousine crystal chat in chapter 40. Nobody could listen in on that.
And after killing Susan and Harry sitting outside with Maggie, Thomas wasn't near.
So did he hear something?
Edit: Ah, sorry. Found it. I remembered wrong. Eb didn't tell him. It was in chapter 48 in Changes. It was Martin. Got confused in my head.
So Thomas doesn't know. And he was already away with hurt Molly after Maggie was rescued.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on June 18, 2020, 06:36:56 AM --- ... So Thomas doesn't know ...
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Say rather, "If Thomas knows, that happened offscreen... so we can't know that he knows."
Margaret LaFay could have told Thomas, before she left.
I presume that Papa Raith knew, and he may have told Thomas.
Lara now has Papa Raith's library -- which likely has records of Papa Raith's different leverage &c -- so Lara may have told Thomas.
Thomas is neither stupid, nor without resources of his own, and may have found out without being told.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: g33k on June 18, 2020, 07:58:51 AM ---Say rather, "If Thomas knows, that happened offscreen... so we can't know that he knows."
Margaret LaFay could have told Thomas, before she left.
I presume that Papa Raith knew, and he may have told Thomas.
Lara now has Papa Raith's library -- which likely has records of Papa Raith's different leverage &c -- so Lara may have told Thomas.
Thomas is neither stupid, nor without resources of his own, and may have found out without being told.
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--- Quote ---"How did Arianna know?" Ebenezar shook his head. "A dinner. Maggie--my Maggie--asked me to a dinner. She'd just taken up with that Raith bastard. Arianna was there. Maggie didn't warn me. They had some scheme they wanted my support on. The vampires thought I was just Maggie's mentor, then." He sighed. "I wanted nothing to do with it. Said she shouldn't want it, either. And we fought."
I grunted. "Fought like family."
"Yes," he said. "Raith missed it. He's never had any family that was sane. Arianna saw it. Filed it away for future reference."
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So I do not think Thomas or his father know. Lara might have guessed after Ebenezar's display in Turn Coat but she has no real human reference frame either so I don't think so. Harry did not know before Changes and he is a wizard, I do not think he told Thomas and I do think that would not happen off screen anyway.
So no, Harry is the only one who knows and he can not just tell. Thomas can handle it but Ebenezar might go ballistic. It can really go wrong. He certainly won't see it as a reason to trust Thomas but it would lead to him even more thinking that Harry trusts him too much.
Also there is Lara. Revealing secrets can lead to revealing even more secrets which can comlicating things.
123Chikadee:
My question for Eb/Thomas is less about motivation and more on terms of tactics. So Eb could be warning Harry that it's (click to show/hide)himself doing the backstabbing, which would mean that's it just that Thomas is a means to and end and/or bonus of getting someone harmful out of Harry's life? So this warning is for Harry to have a way to figure out its Eb, who's more or less under duress and wants to give Harry an opportunity to either give himself an out and/or expose parts of the Council.
Maybe Eb has been given false info about Thomas or the circles he moves in and due to his bad experiences and biases, he doesn't look further b/c Thomas.
So maybe the Black Council/Nemesis wants to separate Harry and Thomas as well. That way, they can fully destabilize Harry and Thomas is just the first of Harry's allies. So it's almost like 'White Night' again. (Though I can see this going out of control for them.) Maybe that's how we see Cowl and possibly Kumori again, b/c the former has experience with the WCV.
g33k:
--- Quote from: 123Chikadee on June 18, 2020, 04:36:42 PM --- ... So Eb could be warning Harry that it's (click to show/hide)himself doing the backstabbing, which would mean that's it just that Thomas is a means to and end and/or bonus of getting someone harmful out of Harry's life? So this warning is for Harry to have a way to figure out its Eb, who's more or less under duress and wants to give Harry an opportunity to either give himself an out and/or expose parts of the Council ...
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I like this theory.
Eb has more/better info. He sees the situation forming, knows that Harry will be manipulated into a position where Eb has to act in ways that will seem like a betrayal to Harry. He's warning Harry, so Harry has contingency plans for any of his allies who do that.
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