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Yuillegan:
Indeed. Wouldn't want Murphy to get short with one of us. I think it isn't very big of her to take it so seriously. It's only a little joke. But I think the importance of a new term is dwarfed by how off topic we are and how bad my jokes are...

Enough Murphy bashing anyway.

The very first gateway that Cowl makes has the smell of "mildew and lightless waters". I would take that as a hint.

Each one since has had similar descriptions.

When Peabody opens his gateway the location he goes to is described as "a forrest of dead trees that smelled strongly of mildew and stagnant water".

I'd say they were the same place. And the constant references to lightless or stagnant water suggests both deepness and underground, rather than water in motion that would be fresh. I'd say it was the location of the Black Council/Circle and one of the Fomor bases. 

Con:
I like the idea of a more obscure element of the Nevernever, rather than just Fairies. Paranet Papers touch upon it, and of course Margaret Le Fey's Ruby route in Changes.

Rashid's outright says he knows the Ways, compared notes with Margeret le Fey.

Personally I like the idea two people can open a Way in the same physical location, but wind up in completely different areas of the Nevernever. Harry accidentaly dropping in on the Erlking for instance is I assume because he was the Winter Knight and therefore closer to Faerie.

Yuillegan:
I don't think the Fomor base is in Faerie. I think the Realm of Shadows is it's own demesne. Faerie is merely the largest part (in a sense). But infinity doesn't have limits and I think Dresden will find the Never never is much larger than he realised.

Well, it's a curious point you raise. In White Night he isn't worried about Cowl following him because they don't think the same way so it's extremely unlikely for Cowl to be able to open a Way to the same place. However in Grave Peril a vampire scout is in Faerie knowing that an attack might come through Faerie and slips through just before Dresden. But shouldn't Harry end up at a completely different place? Not to mention Harry's apartment initially looks like a spirit version of itself but in Changes it is some randomn garden in Faerie. I wonder if this is a mistake or is intentional by Jim.

Moreover, how could Margaret's gem work if it was so unlikely to go through the same place as someone else? For it to work Harry needs only the knowledge of where the Way is and how to open it. But if your difference in mind is such an important factor then Harry couldn't use Margaret's Ways as they think differently.

It seems like their are two parallel schools of thought. One that says if you open a Way *insert location* you will get to *specific location in the Nevernever* which will take you to *insert location*. To get into a bank in the Nevernever, you need to get into a bank in the real world.

The other says if you're mind is right, you can go from any location to any location.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on June 12, 2020, 03:57:56 AM ---I think Dresden will find the Never never is much larger than he realised.
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I've always had the impression that Harry thinks that Faerie is huge. I think at some point, he says it's larger than Earth. He also says it's just the part of the Nevernever that is closest to Earth. I'd agree that it is much larger than Harry realizes because it's not on a human scale, much like a continent isn't, but I don't think he lacks an academic appreciation for it's size.

On the Ways: I think there are ways and then there are the Ways. A way is just an opening from the mortal world to the Nevernever. The Ways are known "safe" paths from one point in the mortal world, through the Nevernever, to another point in the mortal world. If you are using a known path, your intentions and expectations match those of everyone else's in using it. Also, if enough wizards believe it hard enough for it to happen that way repeatedly, it's likely to make it true. We've seen plenty of evidence that people's beliefs and feelings about reality affect reality in the Dresden Files.

I guess my point is that the two schools of thought aren't necessarily in conflict with one another.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on June 12, 2020, 03:57:56 AM --- I don't think the Fomor base is in Faerie. I think the Realm of Shadows is it's own demesne ...
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Indeed not!

The Fomor were dire enemies of all the Fae, apparently.  I cannot see (for example) the Erlking or Mab allowing any Fomor survive within the Faerie part of the Nevernever.


--- Quote from: Yuillegan on June 12, 2020, 03:57:56 AM --- ... Not to mention Harry's apartment initially looks like a spirit version of itself but in Changes it is some randomn garden in Faerie ...
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That is a not-at-all-random garden!  That is the garden that Lea carefully cultivated for years, to protect Harry.

I doubt there are more than a very, VERY few pathways in the Nevernever that led to Harry's apartment and did NOT go through Lea's garden, no matter the person travelling.
 

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