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Who Benefits? Discussion of the players behind the scenes

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Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on June 10, 2020, 12:33:36 AM ---I think they might have been even in Fool Moon.
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Somebody certainly was. Why not them? My answer is that it was likely Cowl. I think he was the one behind most of the early stuff. I have no evidence.

Yuillegan:
I believe in the FBI agent Denton's soul (during the soulgaze) Harry saw him kneel at the feet of "hooded figures" so Cowl is probably right. Which doesn't exclude Fomor involvement, even if Cowl isn't working with the Fomor...which I think he is.

Con:
Red Court made the same mistake Black Court and now Nicodemus has made. They grew too powerful and pissed off everyone. Uriel, Vaderung, Mab. As the major lords they pissed off. Between the three of them they had enough foresight and right manipulation to take the entire Redcourt all down. Of course that also means they knew the Red Court had primed the bloodline curse with innocents, so thats some dark Machiavellian sacrifice right there. 

Yuillegan:
Not sure I agree that Nicodemus made the same mistake as the Black Court. He made the mistake of crossing someone stronger than him, more ruthless than him and perhaps more dangerous than him. He has crossed a lot of enemies and he was playing against a stacked deck.

The Black Court was just scarily powerful, and in a short time. I think it wasn't any one person who orchestrated their destruction. Even their "allies" preferred them gone.

I wouldn't count Uriel in the destruction of the Red Court...his effect his more cosmic. He can wipe out universes remember. Think about Mouse versus Evil Foo Dog. I think that is closer to his level of conflict, it's reality altering. He makes things go the good guys way. And I think the really high-tier bad guys (like the Walkers) do the same. It's probability altering to a point but it's also "good" verse "evil" energy in the world. I think these big beings always have a counter so can't just unload how they like so they have to play chess...but then when things align they get to do something. Or they cheat but then the good guys can respond the same.

Mab and Vadderung probably were not merely working against the Lords of the Outer Night. I suspect even Vadderung and Mab have similar reality warping power...part of why Vadderung showed up to Chichen Itza was to counter the LoON perhaps. In fact, I am sure Mab does. That whole fight that Harry sees between her and Titania in Summer Knight when he uses his Sight. But I also think they were working against the Circle/Black Council who was behind the scenes.

Bad Alias:
I think Uriel was involved based on Harry's conversation with Uriel in Changes.


--- Quote ---[Harry literally begs for help, and Uriel responds]:
"I have already done what I can."
"But you've done nothing," I said.
"From your point of view, I suppose that's true."
...
"Your daughter, Maggie, is alive and well. For now."
...
"Why tell me that?" I asked him.
"Because I have done all that I can," he said. "From here, it is up to you. You are Maggie's only hope."
--- End quote ---

Eliminating Harry's doubts and telling him he is Maggie's only hope is definitely enough to push him into acting if Harry wasn't already there. And he's already done stuff to help Harry, but Harry can't see that from his point of view.

Not necessarily on point, but Uriel is sad and uncomfortable in his conversation with Harry. It also seems to me that Uriel regrets his part in Harry's situation. The implications of that are interesting. It could just be that Uriel, with his intellectus, understands Harry's pain very intimately like "Jake the janitor" described how the White God would. It could also be he knows that he is causing/pushing Harry to take a path so dark that it would be better for Harry if he were to die.

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