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Peace Talks: Who are the signatories of the Accords?
Yuillegan:
We learn in the first chapter of Peace Talks that every major Power is showing up and/or sending representatives. We know Ferrovax will make an appearance. Will Drakul? Or is Mavra his representative?
There is also another Dragon (Pyrovax?), the Archive (who we know just fired Kincaid and will be in attendance), Vadderung (or at least Monoc Securities representing him), a semi-immortal shapeshifter guru in the Ukraine and several others.
In order:
1. The Unseelie Court
2. The Seelie Court
3. Vadderung
4. Ferrovax
5. Pyrovax
6. The Archive
7. Shapeshifter Guru (could be Goodman Grey)
8. The White Council
9. The Red Court (formally)
10. The White Court
11. The Black Court (unclear)
12. The Knights of the Blackened Denarius (unclear if still)
13. The Jade Court (possibly)
14. Marcone (as of the end of White Night/beginning of Small Favor)
15. The Fomor
16. The Svartalves
This leaves about 4 to 7 other signatories that will have a presence at the Peace Talks. Can anyone guess the others?
Beyond that, what does everyone think about representatives showing up?
I am hoping Drakul will show up myself but wouldn't be surprised if we only get another mention and he sends an Emissary. Will we see a Jade Court rep? And who will the Fomor send? Cantrev Lord Omogh? King Corb? The Empress herself?
Thoughts?
Con:
I've never connected Goodman Grey with the Shapeshifting Guru, I like it as a WAG.
The Black Court I'm pretty sure were signatories before the Black Court Purge. Mavra obeys the laws of hospitality and keeps her Word. Bianca's Red Court Ball was an Accord event, Mavra was an honored guest. Plus at their peak according to WOJ the Elders together could take on Mab they were that powerful
The Denarians are ex members of the Accords. Small Favour they broke the accords by going after the neutral representative The Archive. Skin Game was Mab getting revenge for it. Nick's broken his word. Harry does a whole speech on it.
Your also forgetting the Wyld Fae and there independent fiefdoms. I think the Erlking would have to be a member even if by default only because he has nominal loyalty to Titania, but his realm is independent enough that Harry invoking Mabs name 3 times could have started a war.
Jade Court, Shiro references them having organised Duels with them. It was specifically in response to Harry asking about the Accords Duel. However Jim says they're very isolationists, don't even like the concept of 'chin'so could go either way.
Where's the 4 to 7 other signatories come from? Do we have a number on the amount of signatories?
Yuillegan:
There is scant information on a slavic shapeshifter, so it's the best I can do for now. I might find something later and post it. Jim wouldn't have thrown the name in if he didn't intend it for something. But Goodman as the Guru somehow makes sense, despite his Navajo origins. Although if it is in fact Goodman...I would associate him with Simon or Drakul perhaps. That would be concerning.
Indeed, the Black Court (and now the Red Court as well) were signatories before their destruction. One has to wonder though if being destroyed voids your commitment. In Harry's case it certainly didn't. So I would think Mavra is still signed on. As would any other surviving Red Court vampire. But I guess we'll see.
The really interesting case is the Denarians. I would think as they are repeat offenders of breaking the rules (and Nicodemus seems to represent them) they might be off the Accords. I get what you're saying about them being punished. But they weren't explicitly kicked out. Something to be aware of is that they were not kicked out for breaking the laws of hospitality or such, but specifically for breaking Mab's own Accords. Repeatedly. Mab was sending a message. But as far as I can tell they were not actually expelled.
Ah yes. The Wyld Fae. I am not certain they are actually members of the Accords. But there is no reason for them not to be either. So I will hedge that any of the "independent" rulers of the Wyld (Kringle, the Erlking etc) are indeed members. What's really interesting is something like Vadderung who is both Kringle and himself (and possibly other personas). Are they all separate members of the Accords?
Carlos says everyone is sending representatives. And Jim did say we might see a hint of Jade one day. So I am going to keep an eye out. It probably will be a subtle appearance. But you are quite right that the Jade Court would be members.
My mistake, in White Knight Harry says there are roughly 20 Freeholding Lords under the Accords. So I have mixed things up. The impression is every major supernatural power is a part of the accords.
So in reality, it's more like 15 other Freeholding Lords. And who knows how many other organisations.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on June 03, 2020, 08:18:33 AM --- ... The really interesting case is the Denarians. I would think as they are repeat offenders of breaking the rules (and Nicodemus seems to represent them) they might be off the Accords. I get what you're saying about them being punished. But they weren't explicitly kicked out. Something to be aware of is that they were not kicked out for breaking the laws of hospitality or such, but specifically for breaking Mab's own Accords. Repeatedly. Mab was sending a message. But as far as I can tell they were not actually expelled ...
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I can't cite the source, but I believe Nick has lost Accorded status.
There's a question as to whether each Denarian is separately signatory, or if they were signatory as a group.
I presume, if Nick is out, that all of the Denarians who were active on that mission are also out; and if Nick signed as the "head" of the group, then they're ALL outside the Accords now (unless one or more of them have re-joined as independents).
Ivy would know, if they signed. I do NOT expect she would be happy about that!.
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on June 03, 2020, 08:18:33 AM --- ... any other surviving Red Court vampire.
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I think a group of Ramps could have survived if they were out in the far reaches of the Nevernever, beyond reach of the spells cast in the Real World. A sunrise or three would purge it enough to be safe. Although with the Red King and the LoON's out of the picture, all those Ramps would be lesser powers.
But there's another thing: the Ramps inside the flesh-mask were something completely other. Is there a race of nevernever beings, who never came to the world to Rampire-ize here? The Ick seemed to be of the same sort, with a rubbery black body...
So there's at least 2 ways Jim could play "Return of the Ramps;" I presume there are others.
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on June 03, 2020, 08:18:33 AM --- ... Ah yes. The Wyld Fae. I am not certain they are actually members of the Accords. But there is no reason for them not to be either. So I will hedge that any of the "independent" rulers of the Wyld (Kringle, the Erlking etc) are indeed members. What's really interesting is something like Vadderung who is both Kringle and himself (and possibly other personas). Are they all separate members of the Accords?
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I am pretty sure all of Faerie are members of the Accords. Mab will have insisted the "independent" rulers sign, and she'd just have said "All you others, without any oaths of fealty or alleigance to a greater power -- you ARE bound by the Accords, and I will personally punish you for violating them."
My best guess is that it was part of setting things up when Winter took over the Outer Gates.
Bad Alias:
As to all the beings who obey things like the laws of hospitality, that may have nothing to do with the Accords. I believe the Accords are described as the Geneva Convention{s} of the supernatural world. The Geneva Conventions are largely a codification of preexisting norms of how warfare should be conducted that have been specifically agreed to, or not, by various nations. International law is way older than the Geneva Conventions. The laws of hospitality, or other supernatural norms, may be in the Accords because they predate them and it was easy to get most supernatural nations to sign on to those provisions.
While practicing the norms in the Accords suggests that one is a member, it doesn't necessitate it. For example, Shiro has participated in many duels. He was familiar with the Accorded process. The Knights are not members of the Accords.
--- Quote from: g33k on June 03, 2020, 06:12:53 PM ---I can't cite the source, but I believe Nick has lost Accorded status.
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I think it's explicitly stated in SG, but it might just be implied.
--- Quote from: g33k on June 03, 2020, 06:12:53 PM ---But there's another thing: the Ramps inside the flesh-mask were something completely other. Is there a race of nevernever beings, who never came to the world to Rampire-ize here?
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Their skeletons remain behind after being killed, so they are at least in part natives to the real world.
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