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New Wag
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 29, 2020, 10:41:07 PM ---@Mira
I have no idea what Eb did or didn't do. I know the text. But it means nothing without the underlying context.
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Read the chapter in Blood Rites where Harry demands answers from Eb for your context. Eb says of Malcolm's soul," like few I've ever seen." You think he is lying? You say you know the text, then you have read the chapter.. If you have read the series, then you know a little about how a soul gaze works. Eb is either lying to Harry or at some point he soul gazed Malcolm to form the opinion that he his soul was good, like few he'd ever seen.. Note, Eb doesn't say that Malcolm was one of the best men he has ever seen, or that he was a good man, no, he says ,"But a man with a good soul, like few I've ever seen"
morriswalters:
Cram as much meaning as you wish in those two sentences. They do not say that he soul gazed Malcolm. They can be read multiple ways. Your interpretation is only one. It may be the right one, but WAG's are built on the other interpretations. :)
Soul gazes are presented as something more intimate than sex. I would need to have a premise that justified Malcolm letting a stranger impose that intimacy upon him.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 30, 2020, 03:25:13 PM ---Cram as much meaning as you wish in those two sentences. They do not say that he soul gazed Malcolm. They can be read multiple ways. Your interpretation is only one. It may be the right one, but WAG's are built on the other interpretations. :)
Soul gazes are presented as something more intimate than sex. I would need to have a premise that justified Malcolm letting a stranger impose that intimacy upon him.
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Eb wouldn't have been a stranger, this was the father of the woman Malcolm loved. Not some stranger that came in from the street getting randomly soul gazed. This is a man his daughter loved, who apparently left Lord Raith for and all the risks that entails, it is only natural he'd want to know just who this guy is. And what is the best way for that? Drum roll please, the soul gaze. There is as much justification for my wag as yours...
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Eb met Malcolm at that same meeting. The meeting was about producing a child as a Starborn. Malcolm is a scion of an angel. Eb objects but Margaret says to hell with it since she is under the influence of Raith and has the baby anyway and falls for Malcolm releasing her from Raith's control. True love. Possibly Malcolm was himself controlled by Raith.
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Where exactly is your justification from the text for that again? Where is it written that Malcolm was even at this meeting? Or that Malcolm is the scion of an angel? Eb says Malcolm was just an ordinary vanilla human, nothing special about save his goodness. Or where is your text evidence even remote evidence that Malcolm was possibly controlled by Raith?
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 30, 2020, 03:25:13 PM ---Your interpretation is only one. It may be the right one, but WAG's are built on the other interpretations. :)
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Eb had a meeting with the cast, Raith, the Reds, Margaret. And who knows who else was there.
Margaret was enthralled by Papa Raith.
Eb reacted to whatever idea that was floated, to the point of what can only be referred to as a bitter family fight.
Margaret broke away from Papa Raith.
Now for some inference.
Why write about this argument if it doesn't serve the plot? Jim says he is a lazy writer.
What mechanism allowed Margaret to break away?
The text specifically says that Margaret was running from Eb who had orders to kill her.
She ran for two years, but had to meet Malcolm, fall in love, get married and get pregnant in a span of fifteen months. All while hiding from all her enemies.
One can assume that Raith took something of hers that he could use as a target for the curse. Inferred by the fact that he killed her. So he was either waiting for the child or she was able to hide from him in some manner.
If Eb soul gazed Malcolm then Malcolm saw into Eb's soul as well. Since Malcolm chose not to tell Harry about about Eb, what does that tell us?
We can assume that Margaret told Malcolm who Eb was. She also would have told him about the people who were chasing her and why. She chose Lea as Harry's protector rather than Eb.
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 30, 2020, 06:54:28 PM ---Eb had a meeting with the cast, Raith, the Reds, Margaret. And who knows who else was there ...
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We only know Duchess Arianna was there (not any other Ramps). But when we actually meet her, she's in a faction looking to unseat the Red King.
I doubt "the Reds" (as a cohesive group) were at that meeting!
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 30, 2020, 06:54:28 PM --- ... The text specifically says that Margaret was running from Eb who had orders to kill her ...
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Cite? The only quote that I recall was Eb saying he "had his own orders" regarding her.
I found that quote notable for (a) implying Eb's orders were perhaps not identical to the orders the Wardens had regarding her, and (b) not actually stating that he planned to obey said orders.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 30, 2020, 06:54:28 PM --- ... One can assume that Raith took something of hers that he could use as a target for the curse. Inferred by the fact that he killed her. So he was either waiting for the child or she was able to hide from him in some manner.
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Quite a few other inferences possible. Maybe he thought he could recapture her. Maybe he took advantage of her being in labor to insert a Whamp-Whammied agent into her medical team. Etc.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 30, 2020, 06:54:28 PM --- ... If Eb soul gazed Malcolm then Malcolm saw into Eb's soul as well. Since Malcolm chose not to tell Harry about about Eb, what does that tell us?
We can assume that Margaret told Malcolm who Eb was. She also would have told him about the people who were chasing her and why. She chose Lea as Harry's protector rather than Eb.
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Hmmm. This is an interesting point! But actually: she chose Malcom over either of them.
Still, she clearly also laid plans for when/if Malcom was out of the picture. Lea certainly knew where Harry was. Morgan didn't know (per the Journal microfiction). We actually have no info as to whether Eb knew, or not... no in-universe canon, no WoJ (that I know of). I'm a bit dubious as to whether she had the whole bit with the orphanage pre-arranged... it seems improbable, honestly!
I think she got Lea in addition to Eb: she figured Eb would do what he could for his grandson, but having Lea too could only be for the better.
Also, I think she was trying to set up for Harry to be raised outside the White Council; I suspect she suspected her son wouldn't survive if he were raised as an insider.
As to why Malcom chose to keep hiding, and didn't tell Harry about Eb -- I might suspect that Margaret's death appeared to him more as "wizard" action than Whamp. So Malcom was suspicious about the White Council, and didn't want to expose his son. Six years old is just too young to begin explaining how your grandpa may have murdered your mommy... or just didn't keep the secret well enough and his friends murdered your mommy...
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