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g33k:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 28, 2020, 02:35:02 AM --- That's the one. So Bob definitely had seen Elaine. Whether or not they interacted is still not known.
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It's not... "known," exactly.  But strongly presumed, I think -- Justin had 2 apprentices that he seems to have treated more or less identically.  They were doing the same "homework" assignments, helping each other, doing each others' work to copy from.

Justin even tried to Enthrall them the very same day.

I'd need a pretty good reason to think that Harry knew of the skull -- and what the skull was -- and Elaine did not.  Elaine always was the one with a bit more subtle and skillful approach, after all.  Harry relied more on raw power.

Bad Alias:
Who says Harry knew? There is at least one reason to believe that Harry didn't know about Bob. Bob has the personality of teenage Harry. Even after Butters takes possession because Butters already knew him. If Harry already knew him, then he would have more of the dispassionate spirit of intellect vibe we see from Evil Bob.

Another reason is that Harry kept Bob hidden from Molly. I wouldn't be surprised if Justin kept Bob from Harry and Elaine because he didn't want them to have access to information such as the existence of the Council.

How did Harry end up with Bob? Bob asked Harry to rescue him from the fire after Justin died.

It's just a theory. I don't really have a strong opinion as to whether or not Harry and/or Elaine knew about Bob. They both probably knew.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 28, 2020, 04:22:32 AM --- Who says Harry knew? There is at least one reason to believe that Harry didn't know about Bob. Bob has the personality of teenage Harry. Even after Butters takes possession because Butters already knew him. If Harry already knew him, then he would have more of the dispassionate spirit of intellect vibe we see from Evil Bob.

Another reason is that Harry kept Bob hidden from Molly. I wouldn't be surprised if Justin kept Bob from Harry and Elaine because he didn't want them to have access to information such as the existence of the Council.

How did Harry end up with Bob? Bob asked Harry to rescue him from the fire after Justin died.

It's just a theory. I don't really have a strong opinion as to whether or not Harry and/or Elaine knew about Bob. They both probably knew.
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Huh ...

I had had the very strong impression (but as I think about it, cannot recall any specific quote or definitive evidence) that Justin had included lectures-from-the-skull as part of Harry's training.

Obviously, instructing the skull strictly not to tell (or even hint) of the existence of the White Council... nor any other bits of material that Justin wanted edited-out of Harry's training.  Which makes me wonder if there's anything else Harry doesn't know that he doesn't know...

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: g33k on May 29, 2020, 06:03:12 PM ---I had had the very strong impression (but as I think about it, cannot recall any specific quote or definitive evidence) that Justin had included lectures-from-the-skull as part of Harry's training.

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That happened in the show, but I can't recall anything from the books about it. Letting them know about Bob would have been very risky. All they had to do to override any of Justin's orders was to grab it. Maybe they knew about Bob but were forbidden from interacting with him. The more I think about it, the less certain I am either way.

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