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Archive & Oblivion War -- who knows?
Con:
I assume Rashif as Gatekeepr would know. Blackstaff might as well. Rashid says the White Council only knows as much as it needs to. Aand that theres paperwork for coming back from the dead.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on May 19, 2020, 06:42:52 AM ---The Archive serves 2 purposes. As you note, she does the ZAPping -- she is the coup de grace.
But before she does that, she tracks every time someone commits anything to writing, and when she sees signs of an Oblivion Target, she dispatches an assassin (or if needed a team, presumably) to deal with the situation.
So she is intel/recon, and command&control (in addition to being Cap'n Zap).
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I doubt that it does it directly, and I wouldn't be shocked if Ivy isn't even aware when it is being done. I bet it is all very "Mission Impossible," nothing can be traced back to the source of the orders.
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ccording to Thomas in Backup they tried to get rid of the fairy courts but Mab prevented that.
There was an old book on the table next to the candies, set carefully and precisely in place beside the dish. It was titled Kinder- und Hausmärchen. I leaned down and opened it. The text was in German. It was really old. The pages were made of paper of the finest quality, thin and crisp and edged in gold foil. On the title page, under the title, were the names Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm, and the year 1812.
It was autographed, and personalized, “For Mab.” I couldn’t read the text, so I settled for the illustrations. It was better than reading those stupid celebrity magazines in every other waiting room, and was probably more grounded in reality
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Or further back, in Shakespeare's "Romeo and Juliet" there is reference to "Queen Mab," which is a hundred and fifty years or more earlier.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Con on May 19, 2020, 10:02:42 AM ---I assume Rashif as Gatekeepr would know. Blackstaff might as well. Rashid says the White Council only knows as much as it needs to. Aand that theres paperwork for coming back from the dead.
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On the one hand, Rashid knows way too much.
On the other hand, how does the Oblivion War cross his path? It is about locking things away from Earth in the Nevernever, not about (so far as I can tell) locking things Outside. It seems greedy to make him also the Senior Councillor to know the truth about the Oblivion War and the Archive.
More importantly - we know the White Council SOP is the wrong counter for the Oblivion War even as it's great for diffusing dangerous rituals. I think anyone in the Council who knows can't be so solidly in power as the Gatekeeper or Merlin. Ebenezar? Maybe. Martha Liberty or Eldest Mai? Certainly possible, if more unlikely (Martha is supposedly about knowledge gathering). But the Merlin or Gatekeeper? They seem too big to know the Oblivion War and yet do the wrong thing.
As to who knows of the Archive's role; I would say the Angels are indeed good candidates (or at least intel people Uriel and Anduriel; does Michael have a need-to-know? Or even a need-to-consider, since he probably has Intellectus), but apart from that it's going to be a VERY short list. I suspect Anduriel hasn't told Nicodemus why the Archive was such a good candidate (because Nic becomes rather obsolete if Anduriel has his claws in the Archive). For all we know Anduriel whispered in the old Archive's ear to commit suicide.
The Fae probably know of the War, or the Grimm move would be strange, but they seem too vicious to not strike back if they found a specific target like the Archive. So if any of them know, Odin/Kringle and the Mothers seem the only reasonable ones.
Or, of course, one of the Fae started it, so Mab thought 'humm, our Archive is going after me, but I know how this works'.
Lara and Thomas seem to not know the Archive, so in general I would exclude the Vampire Courts; if anyone would know, it'd be in papa Raith's library (or his mind, and Lara has access to both).
From there we only know a handful; Dragons or Drakul? Possible, but no specifics. Old Greek gods? Athena could easily be one of the sources of the Fae (so see there) but otherwise would likely know, Hades has other things to do, most of the rest is too frivolous or aggressive (unless, as above, Hermes is now Odin). Maybe Apollo, as the god of the Pythia and other seers (though Gaia may have been the first worshipped at Delphi).
And of course, there's a sponsor. Of the people given who know, Uriel and Odin seem the most logical, but the matrilinear linkage suggests a female source to me (though Uriel could undoubtedly be counted as female if need be, the showings so far have been male, and we know from the Fallen that Angels do have gendered tendencies).
So who, then?
Of the maybe candidates given, I do quite like Athena; she fits as goddess of wisdom, and if her essence went into the Archive Ivy would be resurrecting an old part of her by patronizing Harry the Hero (and in the Odyssey, Athena is also often confined to giving advice from afar, rather than intervening directly). According to pre-classical analysis 'Athena' may just be the Athenian representative (and eventually name-giver) of a more general 'city goddess', and of course the Archive has a bit of sense of human civilization against the rest, quite fitting for a city goddess.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 19, 2020, 01:25:04 PM ---I doubt that it does it directly, and I wouldn't be shocked if Ivy isn't even aware when it is being done. I bet it is all very "Mission Impossible," nothing can be traced back to the source of the orders.
Or further back, in Shakespeare's "Romeo and Juliet" there is reference to "Queen Mab," which is a hundred and fifty years or more earlier.
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I think WOJ is that Kincaid was leaving the orders as dead drops, but he didn't know what or for who.
I wonder what she's doing for dispatching orders without him around lately.
And in reply to Avernite, I wouldn't assume attempting to get rid of the Fae was a proper order that came down from the Archive. I find it hard to believe she doesn't know what Winter is actually doing, and how disastrous for earth it would be to cripple or eliminate the Sidhe. That could have been one of the monsters among the Venators deciding on their own initiative to try to eliminate Winter as "competition" and/or Summer for protecting humanity.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I think WOJ is that Kincaid was leaving the orders as dead drops, but he didn't know what or for who.
I wonder what she's doing for dispatching orders without him around lately.
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If that is true, one does wonder if Ivy is aware of what the Archive is doing? Also if the firing was purely emotional and ultimately will put her in conflict with the Archive.
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