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Archive & Oblivion War -- who knows?
Bad Alias:
No, you suggested that the Fae know that the that the Oblivion War is a thing and that Mab knows the Archive is running it. I responded that one does not need to know that the Oblivion War is happening to recognize that a being (or group) is being forgotten, what that will mean for it, and then to do something about it. I further stated that even if Mab knows of the War, that doesn't mean she knows that the Archive has anything to do with it. Your viciousness statement indicates that it is unlikely that Mab knows of the Archive even if she does know of the Oblivion War.
What I'm saying is that Mab's actions are not even decent evidence that she knows that the Oblivion War is happening.
--- Quote from: Avernite on May 19, 2020, 05:18:17 PM ---The Fae probably know of the War, or the Grimm move would be strange, but they seem too vicious to not strike back if they found a specific target like the Archive. So if any of them know, Odin/Kringle and the Mothers seem the only reasonable ones.
Or, of course, one of the Fae started it, so Mab thought 'humm, our Archive is going after me, but I know how this works'.
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morriswalters:
The Fae decline would have been a product of the age of reason, the same thing in the Dresdenverse that keeps magic hidden. Mab knows something about the Archive since she spent no small amount of effort either protecting her or attempting to kill her. The Archive certainly is aware of Mab's going ons. Assuming that the Archive is playing the long game she has other priorities that are easier to obliviate.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 21, 2020, 07:52:32 PM ---No, you suggested that the Fae know that the that the Oblivion War is a thing and that Mab knows the Archive is running it. I responded that one does not need to know that the Oblivion War is happening to recognize that a being (or group) is being forgotten, what that will mean for it, and then to do something about it. I further stated that even if Mab knows of the War, that doesn't mean she knows that the Archive has anything to do with it. Your viciousness statement indicates that it is unlikely that Mab knows of the Archive even if she does know of the Oblivion War.
What I'm saying is that Mab's actions are not even decent evidence that she knows that the Oblivion War is happening.
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Okay, so we agree that Mab doesn't know the Archive is leading the Oblivion war (with my addendum being "unless she/the fae/some of the characters who became the fae/... started it"). I guess that bit stuck from your post leaving your disagreement on the rest fuzzy to me.
As to Mab knowing, I would think an additional argument for her knowing is that Thomas' opponent in Backup knew exactly what was going on; if some two-bit chump cult knows, it'd be pretty sad if Mab didn't notice when she was being targetted.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 21, 2020, 09:33:43 PM ---Mab knows something about the Archive.
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Everybody half decently informed knows enough about the Archive to know she is dangerous. The only evidence we have that any specific individual character, aside from Ivy, has any knowledge of the Archive's involvement is evidence that some characters have intellectus.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 22, 2020, 02:52:47 AM ---Everybody half decently informed knows enough about the Archive to know she is dangerous. The only evidence we have that any specific individual character, aside from Ivy, has any knowledge of the Archive's involvement is evidence that some characters have intellectus.
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Granted, but to me it's probably straining credulity if none of them intellectus-ers wondered 'why did someone make the Archive'.
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