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Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: kbrizzle on May 17, 2020, 05:20:59 AM ---The White Council is pretty arrogant imho - they are even called out about this by several characters including Shiro. The WC’s arrogance can be seen by their handling of the Ramp war, especially in the early days - it isn’t until TC/ Changes that we really see the entire Senior Council (except Christos) actually prepared to do what it takes.

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They're definitely arrogant, but they're not half so arrogant as the "if an item doesn't appear in our records, it doesn't exist" Jedi. I'd also attribute they're defensive handling of the war more to Peabody's meddling than anything else. After Peabody being exposed is when we see the shift.

KurtinStGeorge:
It seems to me the main difference between young Anakin and Harry is the White Council saw Harry; at best, as a ticking time bomb from the moment they became aware of him.  It appears that many members of the Senior Council and Wardens thought Harry was already beyond redemption. 

The Jedi had high hopes for Anakin.  They may have had misgivings; in fact we know they did; and eventually this and Anakin's own behavior lead to the withholding of Anakin's promotion to becoming a full Jedi, but the Jedi leadership never displayed the level of paranoia the Council has about Harry.  Mace Windu even said to Dark Anakin, "You were supposed to be the chosen one."  No one; not even Ebenezer, seems to have felt that way about Harry.

Belial666:
Nah, the real difference is that Harry is not nearly as arrogant as Anakin was and that he has seen Star Wars so he expects the twists!

Yuillegan:
Kbrizzle - True, true. My point was more parallels can be drawn between any number of things as both films and novels use similar devices (archetypes, themes, concepts).

The Luke & Leia thing (Harry and Elaine) was something I have long thought about. There was a fairly strong reaction when I discussed it though (although I didn't use the Luke/Leia parallel). But I think there is definitely something to it.

I would contest the Harry and Anakin slaughters parallel. Anakin willingly (and knowingly) slew children as young as 4 in the name of saving his wife. Harry was burning everything around him in an act of hot rage. Anakin's act was far colder, more deliberate. I would say by that point he was a lot further gone (and from memory his eyes flash yellow - a typical feature of heavy dark side taint). Harry by comparison wasn't even using black magic, and was only later aware that he killed some kids. Now, he may well have become tainted by that. And it doesn't make his actions okay. But there is a reason cold-blooded murder (normally defined by intent) gets a harsher treatment than manslaughter (murder without intent) - I am putting this in general terms. Harry is far more darkside now than he was in Grave Peril. If Harry went and knowingly slaughtered a bunch of kids to save Molly or Maggie...that would be closer. And more evil.

BA - I always hated the Jedi for that sort of arrogance. But the Council isn't far from that I think. Harry often bemoans the fact the Council likes to think it knows more than it does, and doesn't acknowledge that it isn't necessarily the authority on everything (or even most things).

KurtinStGeorge sums it up well. Harry was always meant to be Vader (at least in the eyes of the Council). Only Eb thought he could be saved intially - and some others with him. But they have always been super wary. Waiting for the day he decides to go full Vader and destroy them. Anakin seemingly had the potential to be just as much a force for good and for evil. The main concern the Jedi Council had was that he was too old, which might make it harder for him to be good (as he would have a harder time controlling his emotions).

g33k:

--- Quote from: kbrizzle on May 17, 2020, 05:20:59 AM --- ... Anakin slaughters a room full of young kids, Harry burns to death a bunch of young adults at Bianca’s ...
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Harry sets the whole place on fire.

AFAIK, it's never been stated whether any of those mortals -- brought in as food&toys by the Reds -- were still alive, or not.  I think the Reds had already been planning a "no survivors" event for the mortals, and it's just a question as to whether the sundry predators had all finished, or not...

At the VERY least, Harry was recklessly careless with his fire magic:  he knew the fires COULD get out of control, and COULD burn helpless mortals.

What Harry (and we) don't actually know is if it went down that way, or not.
 

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