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morriswalters:
@Dina

I don't have any idea of why Jim chose to use this plot device.  Maybe he watched too much Star Trek.  There is an episode called The Alternative Factor which might be useful in shedding some light.  The ending has two characters locked in an eternal fight in a space between to preserve this universe. That's all I got, other than the idea for order to exist there must be chaos and that you can't separate the two.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Con on May 02, 2020, 08:26:00 AM ---  WOJ is the Venatori and The Archies purpose is to wipe the memory of particularly dark Demons and Gods. Ones that were defeated by Good Gods. Basically Cthulhu Gods and Demons. When enough of humanity has forgotten the name and purpose of Dark Gods, The Archive exiles them to the Outside. Thats where they become Outsiders.

Once you know that you understand how the Lords of Outer Night and the Fomor (an alliance of dark gods) are everybodies enemies.
--- End quote ---

I've wondered if the Archive covers Outsiders...  It's unclear to me if the Oblivion War is exiling beings to the far reaches of the Nevernever... or to the Outside.

I've never seen a WoJ that makes this unambiguously and explicitly clear.

Dina:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 02, 2020, 02:28:15 PM ---@Dina

I don't have any idea of why Jim chose to use this plot device.  Maybe he watched too much Star Trek.  There is an episode called The Alternative Factor which might be useful in shedding some light.  The ending has two characters locked in an eternal fight in a space between to preserve this universe. That's all I got, other than the idea for order to exist there must be chaos and that you can't separate the two.

--- End quote ---

Too...much...Star Trek?  :o *tilts head* I don't follow.

But yes, you may be right. I was not arguing about the existence of the Outsiders as a plot device but the "in universe" explanation for the presence of "gates".

morriswalters:

--- Quote from: Dina on May 03, 2020, 08:44:34 AM ---Too...much...Star Trek?  :o *tilts head* I don't follow.

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There may be nothing to follow. ;)

There is no in universe explanation.  It's all very vague.  He sketches an idea and then leaves it to your imagination to fill in the blanks.  It's a gate in a wall with no endpoints, more notable for what it can do rather than what it is.

Yuillegan:
I think the argument could be made that considering the Never-never is the term for all that is metaphysical made manifest, that is to say - a realm of thought and emotion, EVERYTHING that exists on that side is symbolic.

Especially the further you get from "base reality". And as the Outer Gates are about as far as you can get before you hit a plane/realm that is pure chaos and almost by definition has no rules...a Gate might be just be the symbol of connection between the order of Creation and the chaos of Outside...a threshold if you will.

Con - I think what you're saying is still just theory at this point. Jim once did explicitly say that we would never see much of the Oblivion war as it takes huge amounts of time for anything to happen. But the theory itself is good, and could well be true. Jim does lie!

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