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kbrizzle:
What is the point of the Outer Gates? As in why do the Outer boundaries of Creation need a gate of any kind, especially when there are a lot of powerful beings who want to break in?

The only couple of reasons I could come up with are:

* Occasionally entities are banished to the Outside in the DV - although why not build an exit only door instead of a 2-way?
* Leaving an obvious opening in the Outer boundary in the form of a Gate would focus the Outsiders’ attack there instead of them trying to break the boundary walls in a million different random places
* The DV is built on freedom of choice & in order for there to be choice, the Outside has to be an option
What do you guys think?

Yuillegan:
There is a WOJ that says something about how TWG said the Outsiders had to stay out of Creation, but gave mortals the choice to invite them in.

My guess is that there wasn't always Gates and Walls, but were built when the first Old Ones etc were invited in and subsequently kicked out/imprisoned.

Remember, a mortal mind has to make sense of the Outer Gates and as Harry is very literal he comprehends the Outer Gates as being a giant pair of gate doors. I suspect were he more subtle, and less limited in what he could comprehend, the Outer Gates wouldn't look much like Gates at all.

Your last bullet point is interesting...what exactly is the option of Outside?

morriswalters:
Order and Chaos.  The Gate is where they meet.  What has always bothered me is that a gate implies a wall or a fence.  The only solution that comes to mind is that the Outer Gates are the tangent point, the one place where the Outsiders domain and our reality touch. So that there is no real wall, only the gates.

Dina:
Like a portal, you mean? They can even be two physically distant domains with only a portal connecting them. But even then, why having the portal at all? I think it has a symbolic meaning, it is the representation of the choice to invite something...completely different, even if that means betraying your kind (sensu lato, anything from this side of reality). Or to leave it if you choose to cross to the other side. Just as Mab was not literally a mountain, a hurricane and I don't remember what other things Harry says, the Gates are not literally a pair of gates, the Pearly Gates are not literally Gates in Heaven, and the Apple of the Eden Tree is not an Apple.

Con:
WOJ is the Venatori and The Archies purpose is to wipe the memory of particularly dark Demons and Gods. Ones that were defeated by Good Gods. Basically Cthulhu Gods and Demons. When enough of humanity has forgotten the name and purpose of Dark Gods, The Archive exiles them to the Outside. Thats where they become Outsiders.

Once you know that you understand how the Lords of Outer Night and the Fomor (an alliance of dark gods) are everybodies enemies.

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