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Bad Alias:
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@didymos: (click to show/hide)Yeah, it was the Ethan Hawke film adaptation.

Avernite:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on March 25, 2020, 04:26:51 AM ---A good theory about Odin being the progenitor. I think you are really onto something with the Red King actually targeting beyond Eb. Tbh, it seemed like a lot of effort for a couple of Wizards. Considering the power behind the ritual/spell...seems a waste just for two Wizards. Either they were hoping to wipe out the White Court, or someone Eb was related to. Odin fits as good as any - and Odin v the Red King fits better too. Odin took almost personal interest in that matter, he even showed up to Chichen Itza. I think he was just as ready to wipe them out if necessary. I don't think he went to the wall at all.

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Not too sure; we know Odin took a personal interest, but so did Lea (and Mab though she was bribed), TWG (three Knights in one throw), the White Council...

and we're hit on the nose with the why: if the spell was weak, Eb could've ridden it out in Edinburgh behind the Wards, and probably be alright. If it's overpowered (and it took only some extra slaves to OVERpower it), he has to come out to the battleground of your choosing to die - and probably some other White Council hitters with it. Coupled with the disease in Edinburgh, it's a win-the-war move.

Yuillegan:
BA - Ah yes I remember that film...I didn't mind it actually but quite a different genre and feeling. I doubt Butcher would go that far though. But in general I think if you are going to do Time Travel, you are going to run into a few paradoxes. Just goes with the territory.

Avernite - Well part of the deal Mab had with Dresden to get him to be Winter Knight was to allow him that personal mission. In the broader sense I think she was happy to wipe out the Red Court, they had violated her territory and accords on numerous occasions and as Nicodemus puts it were "difficult in the short term, and dangerous in the mid-to-long term" or something to that effect. So Lea was thrown in to assist that endeavor, more than it being her personal interest. Although one could argue Harry's success was in her personal interest...he being her godson after all.

The Knights of the Cross were also all friends with Harry, one of which at that point was the child they were trying to rescue's mother and Harry's ex. And Murphy is Harry's best friend and sometimes love interest. Not to mention it seems that an Archangel wanted them there...the Swords only really show up wherever they are meant to.

Technically it was the Grey Council who showed up, the White Council (as far as we know) didn't show up officially and certainly not in force. Partially because of that contagion at Headquaters, and partially corruption/bureaucracy.

The spell wasn't weak though, and brute force isn't the only way through a defense. A cleverer attack would have been more useful, and more efficient. They used power because that's what they like. But perhaps also because they were trying to reach other people than Eb and Dresden. And as far as anyone knows, Eb didn't know until he met Vadderung about what they were trying. Vadderung seems to be the one who had the inside info. I don't see why Eb would have brought the White Council, in point of fact he chose not to.

I am not saying it's definite, but it does seem wasteful just to target Eb.

g33k:
I guess it's time for me to trot out my own personal WAG here...

Harry is a blood relative (a relatively close one) of >Heinrich Kemmler<.  His bloodline is intimately linked to >necromancy<.

1.  Grave Peril -- In the climactic battle, Harry wins by using "combat necromancy."  Yeah, yeah, I know -- all the Bianca & Mavra & Nightmare stuff had been "weakening the veil" yada yada yada.

Whatever, not impressed.  Typical Butcher smoke-and-mirrors.

Without ANY practice using necromancy (because 5th Law) or knowledge of spells (q.v. 5th Law), Harry just spontaneously summoned ghosts and shades and specters and wraiths and whatever by the hundreds.

We didn't see that kind of action again until the "Heirs of Kemmler" came to town, with their decades of experience in necromancy -- and they too were conducting rituals to make ghost-summoning easier, prep'ing for the Darkhallow.

Harry did the self-same thing; only HE did it without study or practice, as a weaker "junior wizard" (book 3).  Harry's own evaluation, from tangling with the Heirs (in book 7, where he was much stronger) was that any of them was MORE than a match for him in raw power.  But to judge from Book 3... evidently not.

2. Also in GP:  Sue.  This impressed everybody.  Centuries-old Luccio, head of the WC's combat-wizards.  Those Heirs who saw it.

The freaking Erlking!



3. Ghost Story -- In the scene where Corpsetaker had swiped Butters' body, just before she "killed" the Harry-manifested ectoplasm-body, she said "You were able to manifest after all?  Intriguing.  You've a natural gift for darker magic, I think.  My master would have snapped you up in an instant."

Harry has the kind of profound gifts that come inherited in the bloodline; and they're gifts of necromancy.

Fox:
I watched that interview too, Daniel was specifically asking about Harry in terms of D&D Wizards. In D&D Wizards get their magic by studying, Sorcerers are just born with it (mostly). Jim clarified that in the Dresden Files Wizards are a bit of a combination of the two- a wizard has to be born with the potential to use magic on a certain level, as well as learn how to use magic etc.

He also mentioned that in D&D terms Harry would be a Warlock because of his deal with Mab. D&D Warlocks get their powers by making a deal with some powerful entity- they’re not just dark magic users like in the Dresden Files.

While I don’t necessarily disagree that Harry might have some powerful or exotic ancestry, I don’t think this quote is the evidence of it.

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