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Peace Talks Trailer.
Dina:
--- Quote from: harry dresden on March 26, 2020, 12:38:29 AM ---In relation to the true love thing being an anathema to the Whites being able to feed, maybe Harry and Murph haven't consummated their relationship, but I recall how Michael questions Harry's reaction to Murph being hurt by Nic in Skin Game. Perhaps Harry isn't truly in love with Murph or the Winter Knight mantle is affecting him in ways he can't detect, or it's possible that scene with Lara and Harry is not what it seems.
Anyway for myself I enjoyed the trailer and I concur with Jim the guy playing Marcone nailed it.
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Yes, I agree. I've remember several discussions here in the forums about all that. My pet theory has always been that the WK mantle is making Harry believe that he loves Murph so he can get laid. I had sore discussions, but I don't remember very well who were involved.
I agree about the guy playing Marcone, he is great (I imagine Marcone older, but it does not matter. His demeanor is (IMHO) perfect)
--- Quote from: didymos on March 26, 2020, 12:52:15 AM ---This is confirmed in the livestream Jim did with Priscilla. Christmas Eve is being published at the end of Battle Ground:
https://youtu.be/5V9am4XyYz4?t=1499
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Ah, thank you, Arjan. I have not seen it (I normally don't watch Q&A videos and that sort of thing because I never understand them very well.
@123Chikadee: you are welcome and thanks! (I have not read any comic book)
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Arjan on March 25, 2020, 10:42:54 PM ---Must be before. The two are really one story and it seems like the decision to split them was made this year. Also the scale of the casualties mentioned in and the relative quiet of the christmas story suggests no big battle Harry knows of is in the near future.
Battle Ground is probably a direct result of peace talks.
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Of course that then ties back to -
WHY would Thomas-the-assasin shenanigans, which we all assume from the trailer, lead to an attack by a Fomor Titan?
Only thing I can come up with is Thomas murdered a Fomor representative to the talks (say because he/she/it seemed to be trying to harm Justine or Harry), Harry and Lara get away with getting him out (though at cost, as warned in the trailer by Marcone), so the Fomor declare war on Harry and Lara, personally.
123Chikadee:
@Bad Alias: Ah, ok then. I had watched parts of it but I did fall asleep at some point lol.
@Dina: Yeah, that's why I don't like having something that big and game-changing in the supplementary canon. I haven't read the comic either, I only know what's in it, b/c I looked it up.
@Avernite: Oooh, good point. I like how straightforward that is.
toodeep:
Harry is never the start of the process, he has always been someone's tool. Usually Mab's. We know he is in at least decent favor with Mab at the end of all this because of the Christmas story, so he obviously doesn't screw her or her accords over.
So here are my guesses.
1. The scene I take to be between Justine and Thomas shows that he knows he was going into serious trouble, maybe knew he was going to die. The thing that motivates him is protecting their child. Who made it so that he had to do something that could get him killed, we don't know yet. My guess is Mab.
2. I don't think he killed someone of Marcone's, though it is possible. Marcone seems to be all business, which is what we would expect even if it was personal, but I would hope we would see some actual anger from him if the person killed had been close to him. He must kill Thomas to maintain his position and the Accords as he is the one running the meeting.
3. Why the hell are Marcone and Dresden in a room together getting dressed? I mean, it what universe does that happen? How undressed were they before the scene we saw? Why?
4. Harry will get his brother out. This is expected. Mab can't support him, and will kill him for interfering if he is caught, but if he can pull it off...
Big guess? At Mab's instigation (why, how, currently unknown) Thomas kills the ambassador for the Fomor. While this puts him on the chopping block, it puts the Fomor at a disadvantage in the negotiations, which allows alliances against them to form. This pisses them off, and coupled with Thomas's escape (somehow all is forgiven once he escapes? Maybe just proven innocent) the Fomor are driven to a murderous rage and they, led by their Titan Queen in conjunction with outsiders attack the proceedings. Carnage ensues. This is all part of Mab's plot, because how else would you get a Titan near the one place that can take it out - Demonreach. Somehow, through convoluted battle Harry must get her to Demonreach, and we get to see the first new inmate get added to the island in a long time. This destroys the backbone of the Fomor who were in alliance with outsiders... And once again removes an outsider (ally) threat to the world in Mab's preparation for the big battle...
Bad Alias:
On the point of Harry and Murphy's "true love" status, it would make a lot of sense for them to take a long time to get there. That's going to make it difficult for him to go "all in." Murphy is bad at relationships. Three husbands and Kincaid is her known track record. One of those ex-husbands is now her brother-in-law. Ick. Harry thought he murdered his first girlfriend. Then she disappeared and showed up all of a sudden and manipulated him. She shows up a few years later and doesn't trust him. His next girlfriend, and need I remind everyone how that worked out? Lack of trust resulting in half-turned vampire, a secret child, and ritual sacrifice at Harry's hands? The next girlfriend was mind controlled into it. Then, as Sanya says, he "tapped that ass." Mab.
Then there's everything from the end of Changes to whatever's going on now. There's a good chance one or both of them will be holding back. One day they may get past it. Or they may not.
--- Quote from: toodeep on March 26, 2020, 07:34:03 PM ---Somehow, through convoluted battle Harry must get her to Demonreach, and we get to see the first new inmate get added to the island in a long time.
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Maybe all he needs is a little blood or some other thaumaturgical link. It's hard to imagine any being worth imprisoning doesn't know that the Demonreach has a new Warden, and it's Harry. Then again, the White Council doesn't really know what Harry's job is.
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