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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Dina on March 15, 2020, 07:04:41 PM ---I agree with Harry lacking experience so understimating the two women was his fault. He did his best but he is not perfect. And he has been trained all his life in "knowledge is power" so secrecy is second nature to him. But I disagree with the comparison with children. That is patronizing with them and also give them a pass as if they were not to blame. But they are.
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We are all children sometimes. Does not stop us from being irritated when patronised.
--- Quote ---Arjan, I don't think Kinkaid lacks free will. Not the books or the microfiction gave me that idea.
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He is a very powerfull scion and he already lived for a long time. He probably made his choices long ago.
morriswalters:
It's an analogy, don't break it. It's about levels of power and the responsibility that you acquire as you achieve those levels. Which is what Jim favorite quote states explicitly. With great power comes great responsibility. For Harry to not repeat his mistakes he must first acknowledge them.
I have no idea why people get so sideways abut this. Harry is human and making moral errors as well as errors of judgement goes with the landscape. Periodically Jim spells it out. The explicit plot of Ghost Story is about realizing the errors that led to the seven words. And the ramifications of his decisions.
But, if you devalue Susan, then you devalue her sacrifice and Harry actions at Chichen Itza. The whole thing about the baby and Susan, was that Harry never thought past that moment when they were finished. Susan had to deal with it for nine months while on the run, under stress and pressure. Harry doesn't ever acknowledge that. It's like, you hid my child you bitch. And it wasn't that simple. If Susan erred in her judgement she wasn't alone in that error.
Dina:
HAD TO???? It was her decision a) to have the baby in the first place b) not to tell Harry that she was pregnat c) hid her from Harry. She was a complete b*** about that and Harry has no reason to think about that because he supposed that Susan would have told him. Besides, he probably thought that Susan was sterile since her turning. I suspect Susan thought the same herself because if that is not the case it was completely irresponsible for her not to take pills. If I had issues that could led me to loose my control, I would definitely take pills (unless I was planning to have a child with someone, of course)
Mira:
--- Quote ---HAD TO???? It was her decision a) to have the baby in the first place b) not to tell Harry that she was pregnat c) hid her from Harry. She was a complete b*** about that and Harry has no reason to think about that because he supposed that Susan would have told him. Besides, he probably thought that Susan was sterile since her turning. I suspect Susan thought the same herself because if that is not the case it was completely irresponsible for her not to take pills. If I had issues that could led me to loose my control, I would definitely take pills (unless I was planning to have a child with someone, of course)
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HAD TO?? :o A BIG AMEN to that sister!! It takes two to make a baby,so that responsibility was shared, but once she found out she was pregnant the rest of the choices beginning with not telling Harry are all on her. I totally agree that she was a real b---- about it, blaming him for the really bad choices she made, the frosting on the cake was her claim that the baby would have been in more danger if she had told him.. Really??? And exactly where did not telling Harry get her?
--- Quote ---But, if you devalue Susan, then you devalue her sacrifice and Harry actions at Chichen Itza. The whole thing about the baby and Susan, was that Harry never thought past that moment when they were finished. Susan had to deal with it for nine months while on the run, under stress and pressure. Harry doesn't ever acknowledge that. It's like, you hid my child you bitch. And it wasn't that simple. If
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No? And she did hide his child from him, didn't she? Actually if you cannot acknowledge that Susan is solely responsible for her plight then you really do devalue her. She was an intelligent adult, she is the one who came on to Harry in the first place. They were attacked by a frog demon on their first date, "danger Wilma Robinson!" She was there and saw the results of the run in between Harry and MacFinn, "more danger Wilma Robinson!" Did she ever chose to end the relationship? No... How was it patronizing for Harry to tell her it was bad news to go to that party? If a front line war vet tells you not to go skipping in a mine field least you step on one and blow up, how much more information do you really need to know it wasn't a good idea? Just what information would you lack to know perhaps it wasn't a good thing to steal his running shoes and go for a skip around? Since she was half turned herself and her work was dealing with killing vamps, that her baby was in real danger if it was traced to her or worse yet, Harry, how hard was it to know that keeping it near and actually visiting it might not be a very good idea? Yes, in the end she redeemed herself with her sacrifice, but lets not pretend she is largely responsible for her own mess, lets not diminish her by pretending she wasn't.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Dina on March 15, 2020, 08:42:24 PM ---HAD TO???? It was her decision a) to have the baby in the first place b) not to tell Harry that she was pregnat c) hid her from Harry. She was a complete b*** about that and Harry has no reason to think about that because he supposed that Susan would have told him. Besides, he probably thought that Susan was sterile since her turning. I suspect Susan thought the same herself because if that is not the case it was completely irresponsible for her not to take pills. If I had issues that could led me to loose my control, I would definitely take pills (unless I was planning to have a child with someone, of course)
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Evidently I'm not selling my point. So she's flawed. So what? Her making mistakes has nothing to do with Harry and his moral responsibility. Susan or Kim may have been idiots, but it doesn't remove Harry's responsibility.
And in terms of sex it takes two to dance. If Susan didn't think about birth control than obviously neither did Harry. Is there a universe where the woman is the only one who needs to think about these things. Harry doesn't get a pass for assuming that Susan couldn't have children. You get up the next morning and talk if you fell off the precautions wagon. You don't assume that the worst won't happen.
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