The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Dina:
No, Kim and Susan's changing are not on Harry. They were clever adult women who choose what to do. Harry did not force to do anything. Actions have consequences. Like Harry should have asked about the chance of Susan being pregnant but I agree he probably thought she could not conceive. I know I thought the same. I also know that if Susan was aware of the chance of conceiving, she should have taken measures.
But I also know that I always hated Maggie's existence and the fact that Susan did not tell Harry about her. I also hated the excess of love that Harry felt for a child he has never known but I understand what Redepisg says. I mean, for me that explains but not justifies Harry's behavior, just like Susan probably had reasons of her own to be that way. Only we don't know them because she is not the main character of the saga we love.
That said, in general I agree with Mira and forumghost. And again, I don't think Harry was selfish in his suicide (but he was selfish in doing all what he did in Changes, disregarding his own friends).
Arjan:
Kim and Susan had their own responsibility but Harry is still responsible for how he handled it. It is not a binary thing. Just because Susan is responsible for what she does does not mean Harry is not responsible for what he did to help form that decision.
Responsibility and free will are concepts created by humans to help us decide how to react to other people. They are a often poor description of reality.
But with these concepts in mind we look at what people say and do and we decide if we want to help them or avoid them or maybe even punish them. They are expressions of the human herd instinct, human nature which is a good thing. It makes living together with so many humans possible which is an incredible achievement knowing how many humans there are at the moment.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
forumghost:
Harry to Kim: "No I won't show you how to do this thing because you won't tell me what it's about and it's above you're skill level"
Kim: *Does it, it's beyond her skill, she dies, Surprised Pikachu face*
Harry to Susan: "Neither of us are going to this Party because the monsters aren't interested in doing interviews with what are, from their PoV, Hamburgers- and even if they were, this particular Vampire has a hate-boner for me and is 100% going to try and pull something"
Susan *Does it, gets turned, Surprised Pikachu face*
Harry told them both it was dangerous and would fuck them over (which honestly was all he owed them), and they both took that knowledge and went "I know better then the Wizard that knows about this shit, Imma do it any way"
The fact that Harry blames himself for either of their fates is nothing more then his Neurosis coming into play. They were told the stove was hot, it's nobodies fault but their own they decided to touch it.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: forumghost on March 14, 2020, 10:56:35 AM ---Harry to Kim: "No I won't show you how to do this thing because you won't tell me what it's about and it's above you're skill level"
Kim: *Does it, it's beyond her skill, she dies, Surprised Pikachu face*
Harry to Susan: "Neither of us are going to this Party because the monsters aren't interested in doing interviews with what are, from their PoV, Hamburgers- and even if they were, this particular Vampire has a hate-boner for me and is 100% going to try and pull something"
Susan *Does it, gets turned, Surprised Pikachu face*
Harry told them both it was dangerous and would fuck them over (which honestly was all he owed them), and they both took that knowledge and went "I know better then the Wizard that knows about this shit, Imma do it any way"
The fact that Harry blames himself for either of their fates is nothing more then his Neurosis coming into play. They were told the stove was hot, it's nobodies fault but their own they decided to touch it.
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And yet he learned from it and handled later instances better.
Kim was ringing a huge alarm bell and he ignored it until it was too late and it was not just her life that was at stake. It is like you see a huge disaster that is going to happen. You can not just shrug it of with it their free will, I take cover.
Susan and Harry were in a relationship together. Of course he asks himself what he could have done better. There comes a moment when you have to stop doing that but not doing it is also very wrong.
Yes Harry takes too much blame but taking no blame at all is also wrong. It comes too close to not caring.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Dina on March 14, 2020, 02:08:20 AM ---No, Kim and Susan's changing are not on Harry. They were clever adult women who choose what to do. Harry did not force to do anything. Actions have consequences. Like Harry should have asked about the chance of Susan being pregnant but I agree he probably thought she could not conceive. I know I thought the same. I also know that if Susan was aware of the chance of conceiving, she should have taken measures.
But I also know that I always hated Maggie's existence and the fact that Susan did not tell Harry about her. I also hated the excess of love that Harry felt for a child he has never known but I understand what Redepisg says. I mean, for me that explains but not justifies Harry's behavior, just like Susan probably had reasons of her own to be that way. Only we don't know them because she is not the main character of the saga we love.
That said, in general I agree with Mira and forumghost. And again, I don't think Harry was selfish in his suicide (but he was selfish in doing all what he did in Changes, disregarding his own friends).
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I don't think he disregarded his friends in Changes, I think he was determined not to repeat a mistake he made too often previously, trying to go it alone and his friends got hurt or worse because they jumped in to help him with little information. No, all his friends knew before hand that this was not going to be a Sunday picnic, putting two Holy Swords and his godmother joining in if nothing else told them that. Yet they willingly followed and would have even if never asked.
--- Quote ---Yes Harry takes too much blame but taking no blame at all is also wrong. It comes too close to not caring.
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Very true, but there are few who accuse Harry of not caring. But there is a difference in acknowledging mistakes and taking responsibility for them and thinking it was all your fault.
The first, you learn from and try not to repeat because people get hurt and or die, the second is
it's own type of wallowing selfishness, and it can paralyze one from acting at all. On the second, save for Michael, Harry's friends fail him.
--- Quote ---The fact that Harry blames himself for either of their fates is nothing more then his Neurosis coming into play. They were told the stove was hot, it's nobodies fault but their own they decided to touch it.
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Very true, but one lesson perhaps is to put a fence around the stove, but some are determined to climb it and touch the stove anyway. In the end both Kim and Susan were responsible for themselves and decided to ignore the reality of what Harry was telling them. Susan had read Dracula so decided that she knew how to protect herself over the warnings of a fully trained wizard who seriously wanted to pass on that party. Kim not only to lied to Harry about why she wanted the information, but decided as someone who didn't even have the grade of apprentice could handle something like a Loop. Just because you have taken a first aid course that doesn't qualify you to do brain surgery, you gotta know when to deffer to someone a lot more qualified that you are.
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