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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: g33k on May 16, 2020, 01:42:08 AM ---The safest, most reliable, most practical, versatile one.
But, as noted, something low-key and good for "flying under the radar," so no WWII-era armored Mercedes!
I'm guessing something like an older police-modified (but civilian paint &c) sedan, nice & boring-looking (Ford Crown Victoria? Chevy Impala?), with bullet-proof glass & armor in the body-panels.
Maybe one of the 4WD trucks / SUVs used by rural cops, rangers, etc?
Given the likely resources of the Archive, I expect cost wouldn't play ANY part of the equation.
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I had a shocking pink Hummer in my minds eye. My age is probably showing.
@Bad Alias
Just for the record, Mab ended the Reds, not Ivy. You don't think it was an accident that Lea was at Harry's, at that moment of time? Which isn't to say that Ivy shed any tears for them. But Ivy didn't tell Harry anything that he couldn't have known, given Marcone's known proclivities.
The question about Ivy, is neutral with respect to what? She is bound to her purpose, which is to win the Oblivion War, on behalf of humanity. That isn't a neutral purpose. And she is quite capable of killing humans if her primary purpose is served. But she is neutral to the future of humanity, she isn't there to pick winners or losers, but to give them the opportunity to choose for themselves.
@Mira
It is an open question to the point, can the Archive control the host? Any creature able to create the Archive would have known the risks of the Archive being used by the host against its purpose. Has Jim thought it out that far? It's an interesting point. My guess is no.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Your ignoring the point.
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No, I am not, Marcone wasn't asked to referee the duel between Harry and Ortega, nor would both agree that he'd hold a deadly substance that could kill either if they cheated..
--- Quote ---Are you suggesting the Oracles had no idea what would happen when they provided such information?
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No, they don't.. What you are failing to take into account is free will and the many forks in the road between here and there..
--- Quote ---Telling him Marcone could help is giving him information. It is helping. It led directly to the destruction of the Red Court. Or is Ivy incapable of predicting that because she is completely unrelated to the Oracles?
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Key word, could not would, she doesn't even name Marcone..
here is what she says on page 147 Changes...
--- Quote ---" Ivy says she cannot get involved. That the business you're on is deadly. She dares not unbalance it for fear of changing the outcome."
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This upsets Harry because he knows damn well the business he is on is deadly, he doesn't think she is being very helpful, and pleads with her, reminding her she owes him one.. To wit, Kincaid says further
--- Quote ---"Believe me, she remembers, Dresden. But she isn't free to share her knowledge like you or me. When she says she can't tell you, she's being literal. She physically cannot let such information leave her head."
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Then she tells him she cannot tell him where little Maggie is, but she can tell him someone who might.. But then she doesn't give him Marcone's name, in very cryptic oracle fashion she tells him ,"That the last man he wants to see might have useful information."
So, in the interest of remaining neutral and not upsetting the balance, which she isn't allowed to do. In true oracle fashion, she told Harry the business he was going into was deadly.. Hail princess of the obvious... She didn't name names, but told Harry the last man he wanted to see right now might have useful information.. That was for Harry to figure out.
So no, she didn't give him any direct information that would help him or lead to the down fall of the Red Court. However most likely she could predict it, but she wasn't being asked about that, nor could she volunteer that. She gave a hint, yes, helpful perhaps, but from there it was up to Harry.
Mira:
--- Quote ---It is an open question to the point, can the Archive control the host? Any creature able to create the Archive would have known the risks of the Archive being used by the host against its purpose. Has Jim thought it out that far? It's an interesting point. My guess is no.
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I think Jim is contradicting himself to some degree. Because in Small Favor that is what Luccio is talking about, the Host controlling the Archive.. However in Changes, Kincaid tells Harry that even if Ivy wanted to tell him the information he wants, the Archive will not let it out of her head.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 16, 2020, 02:56:43 AM --- I think Jim is contradicting himself to some degree. Because in Small Favor that is what Luccio is talking about, the Host controlling the Archive.. However in Changes, Kincaid tells Harry that even if Ivy wanted to tell him the information he wants, the Archive will not let it out of her head.
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No reason to think it's 100% one-or-the-other (Ivy in total control of the Archive, or the Archive being totally immune to Ivy). I suspect a "middle ground," maybe even some variability -- depending on the Host and the issue(s) where they differ -- is much more likely.
kbrizzle:
I think the whole point with the Archive is that it is supposed to be neutral in concept but since it is applied practically through a mortal lens, it rarely actually is neutral.
Some of the hosts may have been better at neutrality than others, but since Ivy’s ascension to that mantle was unusual she is less neutral than she probably should be.
Perhaps like Anakin Skywalker, her emotional attachments too will lead her to the dark side?
@morriswalters
From what we’ve seen of how such things work in the DV, the Archive definitely exerts a lot of influence on its host (like the quote @Mira posted about Kincaid telling Harry that there’s certain info that Ivy literally can’t let leave her head).
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