The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Bad Alias:
Jim doesn't say the coins are frozen in carbonite. He says they are effectively frozen in carbonite. He could just mean that it's cheating for them to act outside of the coin. If they do, then Uriel can respond, so they are effectively, but not actually, limited. It's a bit of a stretch.
Is a fallen angel lying the violation? Could Lashiel have lied to Harry through Ascher's mouth in Hades' vault? Would that be cheating? (In my opinion: probably not, probably, probably not).
(Edit: Sorry about the double post. My internet connection was being screwy).
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 01, 2020, 03:56:33 AM ---Jim doesn't say the coins are frozen in carbonite. He says they are effectively frozen in carbonite. He could just mean that it's cheating for them to act outside of the coin. If they do, then Uriel can respond, so they are effectively, but not actually, limited. It's a bit of a stretch.
Is a fallen angel lying the violation? Could Lashiel have lied to Harry through Ascher's mouth in Hades' vault? Would that be cheating? (In my opinon: probably not, probably, probably not).
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I code us Nicodemus lies all the time.
I need to switch of the autocorrect on my new phone.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 30, 2020, 05:43:29 PM --- But Bonnie wasn't, was she? Note in Skin Game Lasciel referred to her as her child, not Lash's child ...
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That Bonnie was there -- but the sigil was gone -- tends to show that Bonnie isn't a viable conduit!
Lasciel had no idea that "Lash" existed. That thing was "Lasciel's Shadow" as far as the Fallen knew (or cared, other than in a tactical sense); so of course anything of Lash's was -- to the Denarian -- Lasciel's... there was no Lash to them.
--- Quote from: Mira on April 30, 2020, 05:43:29 PM --- ... It was unlikely anyone was going to come for it. Maybe Anduriel knew ...
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Anduriel certainly knew. Nic/Anduriel gave the coin to Harry, watched him take it; Harry and Nic made eye-contact! If Nic or Anduriel ever concluded that Lasciel's Shadow had somehow failed to sway Harry (or that there was a higher priority for the coin) they knew exactly where to go to get it.
If I were in Harry's shoes, I'd be quaking in them: the HEAD of the Denarians, the sneakiest and most long-range of them, thinks I've got one of his assets stashed away in my home... And the building is full of bystanders/hostages.
So long as Harry believed the Fallen still had some connection to him, he wanted the Coin where he could Take Steps. Stronger containment. HTHP BARS press. Sneaking into a Nasa facility and sending the coin on the next Voyager interplanetary probe, etc...
Once he was confident the influence of the Fallen was gone, his own responsibility was over; then he gave the coin to the Church, to protect the bystanders.
--- Quote from: Mira on April 30, 2020, 05:43:29 PM --- ... Maybe Anduriel knew, but then he must have also known that the Sword of Faith was in plain sight in Harry's umbrella stand for years, yet no one tried to steal it to destroy it ...
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Actually, I'm pretty sure nobody else knew (in particular, Nic or Anduriel). It's strongly implied that the sword was simply never noticed/spotted by anyone; and Nic isn't likely to have been able to insert many (if any) agents into Harry's place.
Plus, I strongly suspect "stealing a sword from a non-wielding / non-Knight guardian" might just be the sort of "rule-breaking" that lets archangels step in to counterbalance it. Given the sheer power the 30 Denarians possess, and the effectively-eternal lifespan, they'd have been repeatedly able to attack and steal the Swords, across 2 millenia. That they haven't suggests there's a good reason not to (at a guess: Divine Providence insures that such a project Does Not Turn Out Well for them; no matter how careful their plans, it's worse for them to try for a Sword that way, than to wait for a Knight).
forumghost:
I mean even after Nic knew that Harry had the sword, It's not like Harry left it entirely unguarded. His apartment was Warded, and Nic isn't exactly a Mage.
Plus I rather think he preferred having it collect dust in Harry's umbrella stand then actually having the Sword put back in play, which was the most likely scenario if Heaven got wind of Nic making a play for it. Lord knows Dresden wasn't putting much effort into finding a suitable candidate for it.
Avernite:
It also meshes nicely back with Skin Game - because Harry had a Sword hanging out in his apartment, the know-it-all spymaster of the Denarians didn't KNOW what was going on in there.
Talk about scary, for a being who usually can know everything!
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