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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Mira:
--- Quote from: Dina on March 25, 2020, 05:00:33 AM ---Ooh, poor Kirby. I won't say more because I don't want to lit the fire of a new discussion here :)
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:'(
g33k:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on March 23, 2020, 12:09:21 AM --- What's the finish line with the Doom of Damocles? Is it when the apprentice becomes a full wizard?
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What has Harry agreed to and what level of responsibility comes with that? For example, if Harry agrees to teach Kim enough to control her powers so she doesn't accidentally cause harm, what is he responsible for? Would it be a different level of responsibility than if he agreed to teach her some stuff about magic?
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Depends... Harry was under the Doom until the Council lifted it. He had been considered a full wizard (albeit a disreputable, kitty-literbox'es-his-dress-robes sort of full wizard).
Then he went back under the Doom, effectively, when Molly did (if she had gone Warlock, he'd have been subject to being executed alongside her). She's got to be out from under, as the new Winter Lady, so he is too.
I suspect that if Molly had gone warlock, Harry could have escaped execution by turning her in (with the recommendation to kill, instead of clemency); or maybe if he killed her himself.
I presume Eb was under the Doom, too, while Harry was (and, egads, can you just imagine the consternation amonst the Wardens if they had been told their target was McCoy the Blackstaff??!?); that sharing the Doom is part of rehabilitating the proto-warlock.
I recall (but cannot cite, sorry) that Eb could have escaped the Doom by just killing Harry outright: "He was just too far gone, I tried but I couldn't fix him." That's why/how I think Harry could have gotten out if Molly had gone bad.
BUT...
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on March 23, 2020, 12:09:21 AM --- ... What has Harry agreed to and what level of responsibility comes with that? For example, if Harry agrees to teach Kim enough to control her powers so she doesn't accidentally cause harm, what is he responsible for? Would it be a different level of responsibility than if he agreed to teach her some stuff about magic?
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--- Quote from: Bad Alias on March 23, 2020, 05:39:57 AM --- I don't think the sword of Damocles applies to the Kim situation...
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Agreed -- Kim wasn't under the Doom (so neither was Harry) but simply because Kim wasn't a White Council wizard (she was too weak a talent for the WC). The "Doom" is a privilege, so to speak. Minor sorcerors &c just get killed for warlock'ery. Harry would have been obligated to kill her (or report her up the chain) if he'd been greycloaking then, but before the cloak he was an "ordinary" WC member, and (afaik) under no special obligations (other than NOT to aid/assist with warlock'ery).
morriswalters:
You took my metaphor and broke it. :'(
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: g33k on March 25, 2020, 09:28:00 PM ---I recall (but cannot cite, sorry) that Eb could have escaped the Doom by just killing Harry outright: "He was just too far gone, I tried but I couldn't fix him."
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He said he had orders to kill Harry if he showed the least bit disobedience or some such thing. I'm fairly certain it was in Blood Rites in the chapter in which he's revealed as the Blackstaff, or more precisely, the chapter in which what the Blackstaff is.
But the point is I was responding to Morris's comment that the Doom is simply a metaphor for the responsibility one has when they accept a student. I was just asking what's the scope of that responsibility.
I don't think Harry could escape responsibility by killing Molly. That's only partially because Harry didn't have any such orders, but mostly because it's never ever brought up. I don't think the Doom was applied to Eb. Not once does Harry even hint that Eb was under the Doom. I'm uncertain if a wizard could take responsibility for a warlock who wasn't a wizard level talent.
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 25, 2020, 10:49:11 PM --- You took my metaphor and broke it. :'(
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uhhh...
I'm sorry?
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