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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Dina:
Oh, I thought you were talking about me.
Ok, perhaps this has taken a bad turn, this argument should be about the book, we are not supposed to engage in personal attacks. So perhaps we can all calm down? Seriously, considering all what is happening now I rather have a stress-free forum where I can visit to chill with friends. I admit I like discussions and I have several sore spots about the books (like Susan behavior or Maggie Jr. very existence) but I don't want to attack any real person behind their screens. Don't you feel the same? This place should be a safe one where we all can feel good.
So sorry if I said something too harsh and please, let's disengage.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Dina on March 22, 2020, 08:00:38 AM --- ... please, let's disengage.
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Am I misremembering, or isn't this (Kim/Harry & blame) one of the forum's regular temper-flaring topics? I think I've roasted in these flamewars before... :o
Avernite:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 21, 2020, 09:10:26 PM ---@Bad Alias
This isn't really about apportioning blame. This is about Harry growing as a character. If he doesn't make mistakes than how does he grow? In Kim's case you can either read it as he misjudged her or that he was so wrapped up in that sandwich that he lost track of his obligation as teacher. But if you read it as he acted without error than exactly where do you go after that?
In point of fact the WC does advertise the Laws of Magic. It comes up a couple of times. Charity and the group she is with is warned about it pre Michael. Bock's Books gets inspected.
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I think what I would add is - Harry doesn't only learn from his mistakes, but also from his missed opportunities. Was Harry responsible for the kid in 'Warrior', that he saved from the car and abuse? No. But what he's steadily learning is that to be a true master, you can help others avoid the harshest consequences of their own mistakes. That doesn't make you responsible for their mistakes - but you are a better person for being able to do it.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: g33k on March 22, 2020, 08:53:06 AM ---Am I misremembering, or isn't this (Kim/Harry & blame) one of the forum's regular temper-flaring topics? I think I've roasted in these flamewars before... :o
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It is about flaming the arguments and not the person :)
Mira:
--- Quote from: Avernite on March 22, 2020, 09:01:35 AM ---I think what I would add is - Harry doesn't only learn from his mistakes, but also from his missed opportunities. Was Harry responsible for the kid in 'Warrior', that he saved from the car and abuse? No. But what he's steadily learning is that to be a true master, you can help others avoid the harshest consequences of their own mistakes. That doesn't make you responsible for their mistakes - but you are a better person for being able to do it.
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Yes, I think Harry engages in " woulda, shoulda, coulda" a lot, or " if only", but as my old dad used to say, "if, is half of life." Harry got dragged into the whole thing when Kim showed up asking her question. Then she refuses to give him the information he needs to make a good decision. She omits the bit about MacFinn, and lies about everything else. Harry hasn't enough information to risk physically retraining her, nor would she allow herself to be verbally restrained or redirected. So he does, what he did, try to warn her in no uncertain terms that this is dangerous and she isn't up to the task.
If there was a lesson in there for him here, it would be that not everyone can be saved. Kim was apparently a zealot for the environmental cause. She was high enough in it to know what MacFinn was and what would happen if word got out about him, he needed help to rebuild the circle, the only one who could do that was Harry. She knew that, but she was also determined to keep MacFinn's secret. I doubt that physically retraining her would get her to betray MacFinn. Her mistake was thinking that 1] Harry would give her the information once it strayed into forbidden topics. 2] That she had the juice to pull off such a circle. 3] Most importantly, if she had just told him the truth in the first place, she could have trusted him not just to help, but to keep it quiet. Not everyone can be saved, hopefully Harry has forgiven himself over Kim, because there is really nothing to forgive... He did do the right thing, but the right thing doesn't always have a happy ending.
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