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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on March 21, 2020, 08:30:49 AM ---And only her telling him what was really going on would have allowed Harry to help with the circle.
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And only Harry giving her enough information to trust him and let her really understand her own limitations would have achieved that.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 20, 2020, 07:44:29 PM --- Now this is the text, and it speaks explicitly to the point. He gave her something that could kill her because he was hungry. If there is another way to read that I'm open to persuasion, but barring that, it is what it is. This is some of Jim's weakest work. It makes Harry look stupid. This is a college student perspective, which is what he was when he wrote this. If it was as dangerous as he states it, then he had no business giving it to her. If he doesn't then she can't hurt herself with it and it doesn't matter if she listens or not.
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Maybe Harry had no business giving it to her, but still, unlike Korean kid, Kim had a teacher available and chose not to listen.
I am perfectly willing to continue this other discussion if you acknowledge that, okay, Kim's situation isn't like Korean kid's, because for my original argument this isn't a relevant point.
Now then, on to "should Harry have known better" - yes, he should have, and does; Fool Moon's first page is Harry explicitly spelling out he knows better. Only after the twin pushes of Kim saying it is academic only (a lie) and the food (a bribe) does he do it, which is evidently sub-optimal, but it is when the lie is proven wrong that he backtracks again (a correlation to his having food is there too, I guess).
So Harry's first instinct was 'give no information'; probably safe, but got lied past by Kim's choice.
His second approach was 'give limited information' which failed.
His third possible approach was 'give all information' which Harry thinks would inevitably fail too, because even with that information Kim couldn't do it (and since she was lying about the why, Harry couldn't do it for her - even if he had the ability, which I am not sure of).
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Avernite on March 21, 2020, 09:35:21 AM ---Maybe Harry had no business giving it to her, but still, unlike Korean kid, Kim had a teacher available and chose not to listen.
I am perfectly willing to continue this other discussion if you acknowledge that, okay, Kim's situation isn't like Korean kid's, because for my original argument this isn't a relevant point.
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Kim did not break any law and she was not as crazy as the Korean kid.
--- Quote ---Now then, on to "should Harry have known better" - yes, he should have, and does; Fool Moon's first page is Harry explicitly spelling out he knows better. Only after the twin pushes of Kim saying it is academic only (a lie) and the food (a bribe) does he do it, which is evidently sub-optimal, but it is when the lie is proven wrong that he backtracks again (a correlation to his having food is there too, I guess).
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Harry finished his plate I suppose. Early Harry is too shortsighted and egocentric.
--- Quote ---So Harry's first instinct was 'give no information'; probably safe, but got lied past by Kim's choice.
His second approach was 'give limited information' which failed.
His third possible approach was 'give all information' which Harry thinks would inevitably fail too, because even with that information Kim couldn't do it (and since she was lying about the why, Harry couldn't do it for her - even if he had the ability, which I am not sure of).
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His fourth possible approach was lure her in with more information, make it clear to her why she is not up for the task (a little training should do the trick) and offer to help her.
This is beyond early Harry I admit but it would be the only approach with some chance of success. That or calling the wardens to close it down but Harry's relationship with the wardens at that point in time makes that approach maybe even more dangerous.
Arjan:
Offer Toot a pizza if he can break out of Kim's circle. Really that should do it :)
morriswalters:
@Avernite
The point about the Korean kid was a distraction and I shouldn't have used it. My apologies. Kim is responsible for her death. Harry's responsibility falls around not recognizing that his knowledge is much more dangerous than Calculus. Either commit fully when you choose to train someone, or stay in your tower.
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