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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Avernite:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 20, 2020, 04:34:20 PM ---If he was in the role of teacher he was in the position to know how dangerous the information she wanted was. Here the text is clear. He knew she was lying and gave it to her anyway for a steak sandwich. Is that not what the text says?
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Harry was in position to know, Harry knew, and Harry told Kim so.
Kim chose not to listen.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 20, 2020, 04:34:20 PM ---If he was in the role of teacher he was in the position to know how dangerous the information she wanted was. Here the text is clear. He knew she was lying and gave it to her anyway for a steak sandwich. Is that not what the text says?
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He didn't, he did not know what she was asking about, he agreed to help her first. Perhaps he should have asked her first what information she wanted, then accepted the steak. But that still doesn't absolve her of lying to him in the first place. Nor since he wasn't in her head, what reason did he have to think she'd lie to him? Once he realized what she was asking and it wasn't just for "academic" reasons, he gave her no further information... On the contrary he strongly urged her to go no further with this as especially not attempt it since she didn't have the training or experience to pull it off. The text is also very clear on that point.
--- Quote ---Harry was in position to know, Harry knew, and Harry told Kim so.
Kim chose not to listen.
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Exactly, and I bet all along she was selective as to what she wanted to listen to. It is like watching "Forged in Fire," where smiths forge knives and swords, up front before the show begins, it says, "forging is dangerous and should only be attempted by those trained to do it." If you have watched the show for some time like I have one gets a pretty good idea of how to forge a knife, but I have no experience making one nor am I a smith... I could attempt it, but I've been warned it is dangerous and without training I shouldn't try.. I can either chose to heed the warning or not at my own peril. Harry warned her that she didn't have training nor experience to pull off what she wanted to do... She could either heed his warning or not... She chose not, at her own peril.
Dina:
(derailing thread even more) LOL! I've heard several forumites watch that show. There was even an Argentinian one! (he did not win). Also, there was a Latin American version.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Avernite on March 20, 2020, 04:55:48 PM ---Harry was in position to know, Harry knew, and Harry told Kim so.
Kim chose not to listen.
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--- Quote ---The bottom line was I was strapped for cash. I’d been eating ramen noodles and soup for too many weeks. The steaks Mac had prepared smelled like heaven, even from across the room. My belly protested again, growling its neolithic craving for charred meat.
But I couldn’t just go and eat the dinner without giving Kim the information she wanted. It’s not that I’ve never welshed on a deal, but I’ve never done it with anyone human—and definitely not with someone who looked up to me.
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Now this is the text, and it speaks explicitly to the point. He gave her something that could kill her because he was hungry. If there is another way to read that I'm open to persuasion, but barring that, it is what it is. This is some of Jim's weakest work. It makes Harry look stupid. This is a college student perspective, which is what he was when he wrote this. If it was as dangerous as he states it, then he had no business giving it to her. If he doesn't then she can't hurt herself with it and it doesn't matter if she listens or not.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 20, 2020, 05:47:52 AM --- I don't either, also just because he called her his sometime "apprentice" doesn't mean she was, or she really considered him her "master." Just consider her attitude when she didn't get her way. When Harry realizes that she wants to use this circle, he flat out tells her she doesn't have the training. Her retort is Then he answers..Finishing withHere is what says to me, she doesn't take him seriously never had..
He goes on to say she was one of a number of youth that he helped coach though their awakening talent.. Sounds to me like a warlock prevention program..
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If that were the case Harry should have told her about the seven laws, the wardens and how many years he actually had training. It is like starting playing the violin in your twenties. Yes you can learn but the real virtuoso started when they were eight or younger.
Harry's secrecy is one reason she overestimated her own talents.
--- Quote ---But back to Kim, perhaps Harry could have been a bit more tactful, but telling the truth doesn't always come out that way. Harry may have called her his sometime apprentice, but from the sound of that argument, she never respected or considered him her master or as a teacher. If she had, she might have heeded his warnings.
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That is because he never formalized it. You can not expect both parties to have the same expectations in a complicated relationship if you don't spell it out.
--- Quote ---Harry feels guilty because he couldn't persuade her to make the right choice, that he feels is his responsibility. But it isn't, he tried to help her choose, but she refused to be helped.. She never respected Harry or saw him as her teacher, if she had, she never would have lied to him. She would have asked him to help her with MacFinn.
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And get MacFinn killed by the council? We look in Harry's head but Kim did not.
To understand Kim's motivation we must not look at what we know about Harry, we must look at what Kim knew about Harry.
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