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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Avernite:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 20, 2020, 12:44:04 AM ---Then to speak specifically to Avernite's position, if he wasn't a teacher, then he taught her nothing. Teaching isn't going, oh, don't do that. At least teaching as I understand it.
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Reread the quote, please.
It says the Korean kid had noone to teach him. It doesn't say the Korean kid didn't (like to) get taught by the person who could've taught him.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Avernite on March 20, 2020, 09:15:30 AM ---Reread the quote, please.
It says the Korean kid had noone to teach him. It doesn't say the Korean kid didn't (like to) get taught by the person who could've taught him.
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I don't know why what the Korean kid thought about anything is relevant. Mira is arguing that Harry didn't teach Kim anything and you seem to be saying he was. Harry either was or he wasn't.
--- Quote from: Dina on March 20, 2020, 02:31:42 AM ---I knew I have read that she was her apprentice! Obviously, nothing formal like Molly later, but there was some teacher-student relationship. Yes, that grey area is probably something to blame Harry. And I think he could have been a better teacher. But I still don't think he is responsible for Kim's death.
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Harry took the responsibility, no one forced it on him. He sold out for a steak dinner. Look, Jim wrote this, not me. He's explicit in the text about why Harry feels guilt. Responsibility and obligation are things you take up. You measure your behavior against your expectations of yourself. For Harry, the question is, did I do enough? The question is not, am I to blame, but can I use what I learned from my failure to improve how I will respond the next time.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 20, 2020, 10:16:16 AM ---I don't know why what the Korean kid thought about anything is relevant. Mira is arguing that Harry didn't teach Kim anything and you seem to be saying he was. Harry either was or he wasn't.
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No, I am saying Kim had someone who could teach her, unlike Korean kid.
Mira is arguing Kim didn't take the opportunity, but that is irrelevant to whether or not she had it.
For Korean kid, he died without a chance. Kim had a chance, she didn't take it, and died (and many with her).
Mira:
--- Quote from: Avernite on March 20, 2020, 01:26:24 PM ---No, I am saying Kim had someone who could teach her, unlike Korean kid.
Mira is arguing Kim didn't take the opportunity, but that is irrelevant to whether or not she had it.
For Korean kid, he died without a chance. Kim had a chance, she didn't take it, and died (and many with her).
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Yes, Kim used Harry to gain information as she needed it, she also must of realized or feared that he wouldn't help her with the circle or with MacFinn because of the rules of the Council. Otherwise why lie so flagrantly about it to him?
The Korean kid never even had that much guidance. Molly's plight also could have been avoided all together had Charity been up front about her talent and the possibility that one of her children could inherit it. Instead of rejecting Harry from the get go out of ignorance and fear, with his help she could have been on the look out, Molly could have been guided before she rebelled and then do real damage and slid into warlockhood.. We don't know what Kim was thinking, I have a hard time thinking she had any close relationship with Harry at all, if she had, she would have known that once he understood MacFinn's plight he would have done all he could to help. But this is where the hubris bit comes in, she disregards Harry's warnings about her lack of training and experience level to pull this off let alone what this type of circle was usually used for.. She disregards the fact that though close to her in age, Harry is fully trained and more powerful than your average wizard of his age, she thinks she can do just as well. In short she hasn't been listening all along, she thinks there is a short cut, follow the cook book recipe say the secret word and everything will be fine..
Simple things maybe, but any experienced cook knows depending on the dish, it isn't that simple, techniques have to be learned and practiced to be successful.. You can ask a master chief for a recipe, but unless you understand the techniques, the dish isn't going to come out right.. Lying to the chief about why you want the recipe isn't going to make it come out any better.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Avernite on March 20, 2020, 01:26:24 PM ---No, I am saying Kim had someone who could teach her, unlike Korean kid.
Mira is arguing Kim didn't take the opportunity, but that is irrelevant to whether or not she had it.
For Korean kid, he died without a chance. Kim had a chance, she didn't take it, and died (and many with her).
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If he was in the role of teacher he was in the position to know how dangerous the information she wanted was. Here the text is clear. He knew she was lying and gave it to her anyway for a steak sandwich. Is that not what the text says?
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