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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Mira:
--- Quote from: Dina on March 17, 2020, 05:41:45 AM ---Of course those circumstances were not foreseeable, but don't forget the rampire venom. It could be a plausible scenario for her to loose control, have sex with someone and then kill him or turn him. One thing does not imply that she cannot do the other first. And if she plans to stay chaste...even more reason to use birth control, as denying her biological urges would make her more vulnerable to a sudden snap (I mean, if she looses control, it is more difficult to stop herself if she has not relieved her urges in months)
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Or realizing how dangerous it was for her to be with Harry, suggest that Martin walk him to his place instead. Harry was wounded, bleeding, that had an effect on Susan, she wanted that blood, venom from her tongue went into his wounds intoxicating him,and he wanted her, they both retained enough sense for him to tie her up and her to allow him to tie her up... Remember she could have stopped Harry at any time if she didn't want it.. There was nothing morally wrong or right about this, neither were in good enough shape to even judge whether they were being responsible, apart from not getting the blood sucked out of you and ripped apart by your lover, and her not wishing to be turned into a full vamp as a result, birth control never entered into it, it was all biology according to species, not a morality play. Or in more crude terms, the classic one night stand... No one ever gets pregnant from those, right? :o
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As to Kim, Harry didn't give her the greater circle. She copied it from MacFinn's. I'm pretty sure she would have tried it no matter what Harry did. If Harry has any responsibility for that one, I'd say it was instructing her at all, though we don't know enough about her talents to know what the risks of giving her no instruction at all were.
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I am not even sure it can be called "instructing.." Kim was asking about it as an "academic interest."
She was charming when she asked, keeping it light... Then she handed Harry the paper with the drawing of the circle on it and asked him to explain it since he was a real wizard and all.. Harry was half way through it when he realized, "holy crap.."
morriswalters:
--- Quote ---Chapter OneI never used to keep close track of the phases of the moon. So I didn’t know that it was one night shy of being full when a young woman sat down across from me in McAnally’s pub and asked me to tell her all about something that could get her killed.
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I call that foreseeable, since, well, he foresaw it.
--- Quote ---“You don’t need to know that, either. Not for an academic interest. I don’t know what you’ve got in mind, Kim, but leave it alone. Forget it. Walk away, before you get hurt.”
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He saw it again.
--- Quote ---“Save it,” I told her. “You’re sitting on a tiger cage, Kim.” I thumped a finger on the paper for emphasis. “And you wouldn’t need it if you weren’t planning on trying to stick a tiger in there.”
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And, surprise, he thinks she is lying.
--- Quote ---“No,” I told her. “I’ve got the responsibility to help you make the right choice.”
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Ta Da!!!! He knew what his responsibility was.
--- Quote ---It made me feel like crap to withhold information from her, but she had been playing with fire. I couldn’t let her do that. It was my responsibility to help protect her from such things, until she knew enough to realize how dangerous they were.
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He knew she was going to try something that could get her killed. He knew what his responsibility was, the one that he had taken up as a mentor. And despite his misgivings he let her walk away. Kim chose to do something that killed her. That doesn't relieve Harry of his responsibility as a mentor.
forumghost:
What exactly could he do in that situation though? Kim refused to listen to him when he explained that it was beyond her ability. She refused to explain the situation and ask for help despite knowing that Harry was probably the only guy both powerful and skilled enough to actually fix the thing.
Harry's options at that point were "tell her how to do a thing that will get her killed" "Warn her and hope she is smart enough to not touch hot things" and "Physically restrain her so that she can't do the thing"
Since assisted suicide and Kidnapping are not really reasonable choices, trying to warn her off was the most reasonable action.
Kim was frankly just an arrogant fool.
Mira:
--- Quote from: forumghost on March 17, 2020, 11:21:46 AM ---What exactly could he do in that situation though? Kim refused to listen to him when he explained that it was beyond her ability. She refused to explain the situation and ask for help despite knowing that Harry was probably the only guy both powerful and skilled enough to actually fix the thing.
Harry's options at that point were "tell her how to do a thing that will get her killed" "Warn her and hope she is smart enough to not touch hot things" and "Physically restrain her so that she can't do the thing"
Since assisted suicide and Kidnapping are not really reasonable choices, trying to warn her off was the most reasonable action.
Kim was frankly just an arrogant fool.
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Yeah, you can warn a child not to touch a hot stove, you can say, "HOT!" You can say, "you will get burned!" Trying to explain about the fire in the stove is hot means nothing to the child. Unless the child has had experience with either it doesn't mean a whole lot to it. You can remove the child, put a fence around the stove, but sometimes the child will still insist and find a way of putting it's hand on the stove, and learns that yeah, if you put your hand on a hot stove you will burn it.. The hope is that it will only be a superficial burn, lesson learned, the fear is it will be third degree, or worse yet it will manage to burn the whole house down in the process. In this case because she has an electric blanket Kim thought she understood hot and getting burned, went off to another house and proceeded to burn the whole house down including herself.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: forumghost on March 17, 2020, 11:21:46 AM ---What exactly could he do in that situation though? Kim refused to listen to him when he explained that it was beyond her ability. She refused to explain the situation and ask for help despite knowing that Harry was probably the only guy both powerful and skilled enough to actually fix the thing.
Harry's options at that point were "tell her how to do a thing that will get her killed" "Warn her and hope she is smart enough to not touch hot things" and "Physically restrain her so that she can't do the thing"
Since assisted suicide and Kidnapping are not really reasonable choices, trying to warn her off was the most reasonable action.
Kim was frankly just an arrogant fool.
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I have no idea what Harry could do. But Harry creates the dilemma when he chooses to help her before the events of the books. If he didn't want the difficulty of dealing with an arrogant fool then he never should have put himself in the position where he had to. Nobody held a gun on him. He made a choice. That it didn't work out or is hard doesn't change the fact that he took the responsibility. This is precisely the point of The Doom Of Damocles.
@Mira
What's your point? If the child gets burned it's the parents responsibility. Minor or third degree doesn't change a thing. The law may not knock at their door, but if a parent doesn't accept that premise then they might want to reconsider parenthood. Wouldn't you think?
On vampire venom. Early in Death Masks Harry cooks up a potion to counteract vampire venom. Unless contradicted by someone, that would be before Bondage playtime at Harry's place. Add to that a convenient rope to hold and ogre, and romance advice from a 14 year old on bondage games early on. In a tree house of all places. So to the question, was it foreseeable, I would have to put down money on the yes line. ;)
Appreciate the humor. Jim essentially tells you what will happen when Harry ends up locked in with Susan. Molly tells you how, Harry tells you why when he mentions the potion. It's priceless. It's why I love the Dresden Files.
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