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Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 03, 2020, 09:46:09 PM ---@Bad Alias
It really doesn't matter if Ivy is human or not. You could just as easily make the argument that she made herself vulnerable by becoming a Signatory. However, she was appointed a neutral Emissary under Mab's accords, and then attacked by Mab. I've come to the conclusion that Jim just makes shit up and then tries to explain it away later, or hopes we forget the inconsistencies.
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I think it's more that he forgets this rule or that thing he wrote/said. I imagine continuity is pretty hard because just about everything longer than 90 minutes (or that would be longer if made into a movie/tv series) is basically guaranteed to have some continuity problems.
g33k:
I think Jim relies on a suite of OCD readers (sometimes informally known as "beta readers") to help him with continuity & consistency issues.
didymos:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 04, 2020, 01:32:39 AM ---With the exception of the first attack, the rest were ordered by Maeve. Who was nemfected. However Mab had Pell's ass kicked. So yeah.
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According to this WOJ, it was all Mab:
--- Quote ---But to correct some minor stuff: the fetches aren't even /close/ to her strongest servitors. They're her couriers, harassers, spies and occasional assassins. Captain Kudzu was a being that was deemed more-or-less sufficient on the badassometer, but nothing to write home about. The fetches main use, to Mab, isn't as battlefield thugs. She's got /plenty/ of other things for that. Another mild correction: who says Mab /lost/ the battle at Arctis Tor, before Harry and Company arrived? At the end of the day, the Winter Queen was still in her fortress--but you didn't see anyone standing around assaulting the place, did ya. :) Also, it has probably occurred to more than one of you that if Mab was /really/ in trouble, she could have had the entire military might of Faerie back at the fortress in moments--exactly the way they *did* come back when Harry smacked the Winter Well with the fires of Summer.
(Which goes to show that while Mab may be canny to an inhuman degree, she isn't infallible. Just way closer to infallible than us.)
See above regarding "the question is *why*?"
Ask yourself why Mab had Molly brought in...
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morriswalters:
--- Quote from: g33k on March 04, 2020, 01:55:36 AM ---I think Jim relies on a suite of OCD readers (sometimes informally known as "beta readers") to help him with continuity & consistency issues.
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If you use free labor then you get what you pay for. That isn't to disrespect them, but it's hard to keep the overall view when you don't have access to the plot. Or when the data is spread over 9 books. Take this. About two lines and is pretty important.
--- Quote ---“Maybe. In general, young people, especially adolescents, feel emotions much more intensely. The whole hormone thing. It can make them easier targets. Richer sources of energy.”
“Then why did it hit an old geezer like Pell first?”
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@didymos
Well you might think so. (click to show/hide)Remember according to common thinking Mab is hiding out at Arctis Tor. I will tell you that at SplatterCon!!!! two of the attacks summoned fetches and in one attack they were sent. If you want to know which is which, reread the section. When they're summoned the temperature drops and when they're sent it doesn't. Look for something similar to this.
--- Quote ---Sudden blue light gathered around her fingers, and the temperature in the room dropped by about forty degrees. She spoke again, and flicked her wrist, sending glowing motes of azure flickering toward Slate.
The snowflake brand flared into sudden light, and Slate's advance halted, his body going rigid. The skin around the brand turned blue, then purple, then black, spreading like a stop-motion enhanced film of gangrene. A quiet snarl slipped from Slate's lips, and I could see his body trembling with the effort to continue toward Maeve. He shuddered and took another step forward.
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Then this.
--- Quote ---He shivered then, and when he exhaled his breath came out in a long, frosty plume. The temperature had dropped maybe forty degrees in the space of a minute.
I struggled to ignore the sounds of frightened people in the dark and focused on my magical senses. I reached out to the cold and the gloom, and found it a vaguely familiar kind of spellworking, though I couldn’t remember precisely where I’d encountered it before.
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--- Quote ---“A kind of ward. Trying to keep me from moving ahead.”
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The first quote is from Summer Knight the next two from Proven Guilty. There is another quote but I'll let you find it. Remember the description of the attack on Pell. Do you think he would have noticed a forty degree temperature drop with his pants around his ankles?
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 03, 2020, 09:46:09 PM ---@Bad Alias
It really doesn't matter if Ivy is human or not. You could just as easily make the argument that she made herself vulnerable by becoming a Signatory. However, she was appointed a neutral Emissary under Mab's accords, and then attacked by Mab. I've come to the conclusion that Jim just makes shit up and then tries to explain it away later, or hopes we forget the inconsistencies.
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Ivy isn't, she is merely the Host, it is The Archive that is the Signatory. The fact that she is a human child makes her vulnerable, example being her very human child reaction to Mister, when only moments before when arranging the duel between Harry and Ortega she was all Archive.. But minutes before that Harry had given her a name, Ivy. What makes her vulnerable if I understand what Luccio told Harry, it The Archive keeps itself and thus her at arm's length to all human emotion because it is the only way the Host can remain sane with all the knowledge with in her. Normally the Host is older when it is passed on to her, with the perspective to handle it, but that didn't happen to Ivy's mother because her mother was killed when she was just a teenager, and poor Ivy got stuck with it as a baby.. So no perspective.
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