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Heinrich Kramer

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Arjan:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0265691417747183p

I did not read it but someone did a big study about the the nazi’s and their superstitions.  It was everywhere. But it was not suddenly sprung out of nothing, magical thinking was widespread in Germany before that and some of these ideas were racist, a lot of blue und bodem mysticism.

Bob told us in dead beat that Kemmler was responsible for WWI. Nazi occultism and it’s predecessors are an ideal atmospheric background for the whole Kemmler story. Or in dresdenverse context they can form a secret society which can hide your real secret society, a sort of black paranet and a place we’re you can easily recruit new disciples and so on. And it helps creating the WWII which must have been the ideal environment for a lot of black magic.

Yuillegan:
Indeed, in fact it is really only very recently that superstition has waned. Magical thinking was widespread globally for a long time, and whilst there have always been skeptics, they have only outweighed the superstitious in comparatively modern times. I too have read that Germany was full of mysticism well before WW2, and I think that is only one part of the broader picture.

I quite agree that WW2 merely advanced an end that WW1 failed to do for Kemmler. I like the idea that the Thule Society is like the Ventori Umbrorum; that is - a cover for the real thing. But hard to say certainly.

Con:
Well from what we learned of Luccio's short story. Thule Society attracts and trains sorcerers turning them into Warlocks. That is they are the anti-wardens, but as Bob said mostly destructive, violent, black magic. It also explains how Kemmler's apprentices were once in all probability relatively minor talents until they started eating ghosts and souls to give themselves power boosts.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on February 20, 2020, 06:31:18 AM ---This is where we learn that Kemmler is a member of the Thule Society, a occult society eventually linked with none other than Adolf Hitler. So almost certainly Kemmler or his followers organised WW2.

I will look further into the Thule Society...but my research so far in that area has been slim.

...who or what was Kemmler before he stole that body (if that was his first body)?

--- End quote ---
Wyatt Earp was in Dodge City in the 1870's. The Thule Society was founded after WWI according to Wikipedia. If I was writing a story about an occult society that I placed in the world 50ish years before it existed in reality, I'd probably have looked into Thule, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule. Maybe there is something there.

As many have stated, Kemmler did engineer WWI, which many people believe is basically the cause of WWII. Bob mentions that Kemmler disappeared after WWI and didn't show up again until WWII.

I just figured Kemmler wouldn't be running around using his actual last name, first or last.

Yuillegan:
Indeen Con, anti-wardens and possibly the precursor to the Black Council/Circle. Although I am not so sure that Kemmler's apprentices have his ability to consume shades, and even if they did I doubt he would pick minor talents. I think he picked enforcers, myself.

Yeah I did notice that discrepancy...I assumed Jim knew something about it that I had missed about the timing. But who knows, maybe he has an excellent idea cooked up to explain what the Thule Society was before they gained notoriety. I always think back to Hellboy too, when this comes up.

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