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g33k:

--- Quote from: Dina on February 05, 2020, 08:17:41 PM --- ... Really? I totally understood that from the letter ...
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We don't get very MUCH Morgan/Maggie from the letter.  He seems to have held her in somewhat higher regard than many others did... he didn't call her "LeFey" or a "warlock" or any other disparaging term; OTOH, he did call her by the full/formal "Margaret" rather than "Maggie" or another familiar shortening.  He held her in high-enough regard to promise to protect her child (and how and when did she get him to promise that???!?  Was it a dying request?  A bargain from earlier?  Or, yes, a promise to a beloved?  We really don't know... ) .

But the "in love with Harry's Mom" parallel to Snape & Lily... that isn't really shown, IMHO.  She's only named once (and he says nothing about failing to protect her!).  Most of the letter is about the strategic Big Picture, and Harry's potential role in it. 

Morgan mentions nothing about Lord Raith, who fathered Thomas with her; nor about Malcom, who fathered Harry (in contrast to Snape, who seemed obsessed with James Potter).  Morgan was (intentionally) stress-testing Harry, trying to see if he'd show hidden signs of Nemesis or Black Magic.  Snape was (without even seeming to realize it) taking his hatred & resentment of James out on Harry.

I /do/ see some parallels, but I don't see that one, the "in love with Harry's mother."  Or at least, I don't see it as "demonstrated" or "clear," it's simply... not given any spotlight in either direction.

Mira:

--- Quote ---Actually, he knew Luccio didn't kill LaFortier.  He knew that Luccio was somebody's tool, a mind-thrall used to kill LaFortier... in other words, just another victim (but one custom-made to take the fall, and to disrupt the WC).
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But that isn't the point,  whether or not Luccio was being used as a tool is beside the point, the knife
was in her hand when it was plunged into LaFortier's body, she still was going to die for it.. So Morgan took the fall for her..  Because he loves her he still doesn't accept that she killed him, he just won't believe his lying eyes.  Perhaps she cannot be held responsible because of the ink, but she still did it.

--- Quote ---I presume he looked into the matter as closely as he could.  He was "on mission" when Malcom died, there was likely at least one Sunrise to wash away magical traces.
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He isn't the only warden, he could have handed off guard duty to another..

--- Quote ---We know she was on the Warden's "watchlist."

But I didn't think she had ever been convicted of Lawbreaking, or gotten any death sentence (at least, not from the WC) ... ?  Being on a watchlist is VERY different than being under a death sentence!

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I'm pretty sure she was under a death sentence,  it was no secret that she had broken several of the laws to warrant it.

--- Quote ---Morgan didn't think Harry is infected.

Morgan feared Harry might be infected.

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Based on what?  His vast experience with infected people/creatures?  Jim is pulling this from out of thin air, because with the exception of Rashid, nobody on the Council seems to know what it is or that it even exists.  Rashid said as much in Cold Days.

--- Quote ---But in the end, Morgan couldn't quite bring himself to execute a child (and then a very-young man) who kept showing he DID have the self-restraint to avoid using black magic, every time he got pushed or tempted that direction.
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Someone innocent you mean...  Morgan didn't have a problem lopping off heads of young people, the Korean Kid, he was about to lop off Molly's head on the Merlin's command.

--- Quote ---But even "on the run," Morgan would have had moments of downtime, periods where he was bandaging, eating, drinking, resting, etc.  He was using the Summer Boon to be safe from all scrying, after all.  And he evidently thought that his thoughts and conclusions on "the Dresden Situation" were of tactical or strategic importance to Luccio and any other allies, so it was a priority to get them down in writing (all too likely he'd die being captured!).
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I don't buy that, he was in pretty bad shape by the time he showed up at Harry's place and worse by the time they got to Demonreach..  I seriously doubt he was allowed to write down his thoughts just prior to the trial either.  Anyway, not much that he wrote down would have been much use to Luccio,  none of it would have been anything she didn't know already in one form or another.  She had already made her own judgement of Harry, she made him a warden..

--- Quote ---We don't get very MUCH Morgan/Maggie from the letter.  He seems to have held her in somewhat higher regard than many others did... he didn't call her "LeFey" or a "warlock" or any other disparaging term; OTOH, he did call her by the full/formal "Margaret" rather than "Maggie" or another familiar shortening.  He held her in high-enough regard to promise to protect her child (and how and when did she get him to promise that???!?  Was it a dying request?  A bargain from earlier?  Or, yes, a promise to a beloved?  We really don't know... ) .
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This just doesn't make any sense to me based on whats in all of the books..  Rashid makes sense
he traveled the Ways with Margaret, he was friends with Eb, as is Listens to Wind, both have made
an effort to look out for Harry, not Morgan..  His last last words to Harry were he went to him because he know what it was like to be an innocent man hounded by law.. Closest thing according to Harry that he ever came to an apology...  Nothing about a promise to his mother, you'd think that be important last words from Morgan to Harry..

--- Quote ---Morgan mentions nothing about Lord Raith, who fathered Thomas with her; nor about Malcom, who fathered Harry (in contrast to Snape, who seemed obsessed with James Potter).  Morgan was (intentionally) stress-testing Harry, trying to see if he'd show hidden signs of Nemesis or Black Magic.  Snape was (without even seeming to realize it) taking his hatred & resentment of James out on Harry.

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Nothing about stress testing him because he feared that Harry was infected.. You'd think that might
be important as part of his dying words.. Because if Morgan thought it, others would as well.. 

g33k:

--- Quote from: Dina on February 05, 2020, 08:17:41 PM --- @g33k The point is not Harry's heart. He could be a good person and still become something terrible against his will. Remember Harry himself dreads that... So it is not a problem of what Ivy knows about Harry being a good man but about what he could become ...
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The thing is, Harry has shown an extraordinary degree of stubbornness about this sort of thing.  Lash testified that it was unique.  Nic (and Anduriel!!!?!) both expected the Shadow to still be inside Harry, ready to immobilize him at a word.  Even if she had been there, I think Lash wouldn't have:  she was Harry's friend Lash, and no longer Lasciel's Shadow.

At the Shedd, Ivy witnessed him penetrate the Denarian plot, call a warning, and fight against ALL the Denarians (when he knew he'd be overmatched)... and then come back to fight another round, and rescue her.

Cold calculation as an Archive (of Harry-the-potential-Destroyer) may be at war with Ivy-the-girl (who experiences Harry as warm, kind, heroic beyond all expectations, and persistently able to resist both tempting lures and vast coercive pressures to turn to the Dark Side).
 
It's now well after Morgan wrote that entry, of course, but the theme persists...

I think Mab is an active and knowing participant, intentionally tempering Harry to resist "becoming" something terrible against his own will.  Where Harry perceives her as trying to bend him to her will, turn him "into a thug" (and he feels the need to show her "why he isn't one" and "why she shouldn't do it") and keeps throwing Hot&Sexy babes at him, placing him in situations to tempt him into rage, lust, other darkling Winter passions... what she's actually doing is tempering him, making him more and more able to resist being turned into something he would despair being.

She wants him to be terrible, yes; but within the limits of his own will.  Terrible, but also terribly self-controlled.
 

morriswalters:
Well when your bleeding out you may not get to everything that might be on your to do list.  And unless I miss my guess love had nothing to do with his promise to Maggie.  I think she cut a deal. Something for something.

If you know who the journal is aimed at it will tell you what everyone knew.  It appears that the Council knew some things but not others.  They knew what Justin was doing but it appears they didn't know until after the fact, when Harry killed Justin.  However we know that Eb had at least seen Malcolm and his grandson.  I'm currently thinking that the we is Eb and Morgan and maybe Rashid.

Then there is that oddball entry in the official timeline.  What did Maggie and Malcolm go to DC for.  So many possible wags and so little data.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote ---I will spare you the schoolboy platitudes, my teacher. My old friend. Though you have never said it, I have always known that you have always known my heart.
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I'm pretty sure this is directed to Luccio. And my interpretation is that "we" is definitely Morgan and Luccio, but probably Morgan, Luccio, and others.

I've always thought that Morgan's insistence that there is no Black Council was upholding the party line just like the Merlin does after Morgan's death that there is no rogue element of the White Council operating in the shadows.

Harry knows very little about Nemesis. Lily and Harry believed a mortal could be infected. All this does is add Morgan and "we" to the pool of people probably believe mortals can be infected. It's very likely that Morgan and "we" know a good deal more about Nemesis than Harry and maybe more than Lily did. For example, Morgan, etc. could know that black magic corruption and Nemesis are the same thing, as some here have theorized.
--- Quote ---From then on, we could not be sure that the child was not molded to be a creature of Nemesis.
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As has been pointed out, this only shows that Morgan believed that Harry could have been under the influence of Nemesis; it does not show that Morgan believes Harry could have been infected. All that said, the only evidence we've seen that indicates mortals can't be infected is that Nemesis gives fairies mortal abilities.

I agree that they weren't scared that Harry was a warlock. They were scared he was a Destroyer, which I'm willing to say is something much worse.


--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 05, 2020, 02:08:13 PM ---Rereading this I'm assuming that he speaks of two  people, the Anastasia that was, when he was an apprentice, and Luccio the women he knows today, who is in a different body.  It's making me craaaazy.
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--- Quote ---I am losing blood and my thoughts wander.
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He's not being entirely coherent. He's talking to himself, and then starts addressing Anastasia directly. Or at least that's my read.

Ivy's also read all of Harry's journals. She knows that Uriel is impressed with him. I can't imagine a much better recommendation.


--- Quote ---She [Margaret] was guilty of violating the First law, among other ... . The Wardens were under orders to arrest her on sight. ... I had orders regarding her as well.
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Blood Rites Ch. 35. She hadn't been tried yet, but Eb said she would have been executed if caught. After Harry asks "What happened?" Eb goes into her meeting Justin and her death.


--- Quote from: g33k on February 05, 2020, 08:09:48 PM ---While Luccio may have sympathized/protected him, he already knew an "enemy" had "invaded the Senior Council itself."
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I don't think we can time stamp that to when Harry disappeared.

@Dina: The journal entry is clearly written before Turn Coat.

@Mira: What makes you say "nobody on the Council seems to know what it [Nemesis] is or that it even exists.  Rashid said as much in Cold Days." Morgan and "we" clearly know.

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