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g33k:
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on February 26, 2020, 04:59:06 PM --- ... Using the true love for her son, she was able to break Raith’s hold over her ...
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No (alas).
WoJ is very specific and clear that parent/child love does NOT grant immunity from Whampire powers:
--- Quote ---... it’s got to be reciprocated equally or it doesn’t work. While a parent’s love for a child can be something pure and selfless, the child doesn’t return the same kind of love. Children can’t. The nature of the relationship isn’t one of equals exchanging trust and affection, but of the greater protecting the lesser ...
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(https://wordof.jim-butcher.com/index.php/word-of-jim-woj-compilation/woj-on-vampires/)
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on February 26, 2020, 04:59:06 PM --- ... I’ve always been in the camp that mortals can’t be Nfected since they have free will, however what if Nemesis gives mortals what they most seek - an immortality of sorts? ... So what if Nfected mortals can’t die? ...
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I'm still pretty much "on the fence" about whether mortals can/cannot be Nemfected. On the whole, I tend to think they can (although I suspect it works differently in mortals than in immortals). The strongest evidence AFAIK is Maeve's testimony at the end of Cold Days:
--- Quote ---"And the vampire's crumpet. Lucious little thing, aren't you? And so close to Lady Raith. You and I are going to have a long talk after this, darling. I just know you're going to start to see things my way."
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(Cold Days, Chapter 51; emphasis added by me)
Now, maybe this is just Maeve thinking she can glamour/enchant her way into dominating Justine (overriding Whamp controls? Dunno, maybe SummerLady can, at that; or maybe Maeve's anticipating being Queen soon, which I suspect would give the needed power-up to do so); or maybe she was simply planning to blackmail Justine by holding Thomas captive.
But I'm inclined to see this quote as a veiled reference-to / threat-of Nemfecting Justine.
We have seen Maeve operating as a Nemfected agent for so long -- more AFAIK than any other agent -- that I think she probably has more insight into how it works than any other we have seen. It was a bit of a villain-gloat moment... but then, Maeve seemed a villain-gloat sort of girl. ::)
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on February 26, 2020, 04:59:06 PM --- ... This was clearly done by some organization with a lot of experience in dealing with human affairs - note that Morgan says kid Harry disappeared physically, magically & bureaucratically. I don’t think the Fae would be able to hide Harry without mortal help (I do believe Lea was involved because I’ve also heard the WoJ that she would disguise herself & visit Harry at the orphanage) ...
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I think Justin was involved in "disappearing" Harry because Justin was the one who ended up with Harry (even though Morgan was also looking).
I don't know that there was any Fae involvement needed. Lea could easily have worked around Justin's involvement, making sure he was distracted by something else, any time she was interacting with orphan-Harry, etc.
By the same token -- and playing a bit of Devil's Advocate here -- I think the Fae could have done it all, without Justin's help, and later tipped Justin off when they were ready for Harry to take the next step. No, the Fae aren't experts in bureaucratic stuff. But since when have the Fae been unable to bargain mortals into doing their bidding? The fae could have had any number of cops, social workers, and even clerical/officer workers, who would happily have "buried" Harry's case beyond any hope of following a paper-trail, in return for many of the inducements the Fae could offer!
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 21, 2020, 05:20:53 AM ---You've just blown the case wide open! ;)
I can barely finish a 90 minute movie when I don't care about (or dislike when I'm supposed to like) the main character.
@123Chikadee: That's why I hedged a bit with "main characters" instead of just "main character."
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I stuck with the Codex Alera 'cuz I liked Bernard, for example. I didn't particularly care for Tavi until Academ's Fury. Though part of that is Furies of Calderon takes about 150 pages to get decent. Once Second Calderon starts, it's good, but most of the book leading up to that is (in my opinion) pretty rough.
In fact, I'm back on a Butcher Binge in advance of Peace Talks, and started listening to the Codex Alera audiobooks again. Rather than start from the beginning, I picked up about 2/3rds-3/4ths of the way through, when Tavi and Kitai (click to show/hide)escape from the Wax Forest. I had a way better time than when I listened to the Adventures of Isana in the Kitchen and The Drama that Happens in Front of the Fireplace and Tavi Throws Salt at Ghost Horses. (For anyone wondering, the Codex Alera audiobooks are pretty solid; the narration isn't quite as excellent as James Marsters post-Summer Knight, but it's on par or better than most of the other ones I've heard).
Contrast that with some other fantasy works, like the Forgotton Realms's Cleric Quintet. I liked Cadderly right off the bat, and he's pretty close to Tavi (archetype-wise, anyway).
Anyway, yeah. Sometimes the lead protagonists can be hit or miss. I lucked out with Dresden wherein I liked Harry and Bob from the getgo. I originally thought that Murphy might be an ongoing Obstructionist Bureaucrat Antagonist, and that maybe Marcone and Harry would end up being bros. I was at least half right about those. But then Michael showed up and the series went from check to check plus.
morriswalters:
The author has to sell a story. World War Z has no main character at all. A Canticle For Leibowitz takes place over a 1000 or so years. Jim is very good at selling his story.(except for PG ;)) I admire any writer who can have a wizard go to a conclave in a bath robe. He's twisted just my way.
On what happened to Harry. I have no idea how he ended up in Justin's care. However, everybody and his brother has infiltrated human society. Why would the Black Council be any different. The whole thing about bureaucracies that they are maze like from the outside. They share Harry/Jim's fetish for arcane lore and secrecy. They are a plot point made to be used in this case.
And after very little thought, why would humans miss out of the fun of a nemfection. Aren't we, as mortals, at least as good as an athame. A nemfection exists, in so much as anybody knows, to corrupt the nature of the person it infects. Most humans just don't have enough power to to be useful in that context.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 26, 2020, 06:17:42 PM ---No, the Fae aren't experts in bureaucratic stuff.
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Mab's a lawyer.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 28, 2020, 05:05:36 PM --- Mab's a lawyer.
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Of sorts. Not a sort you'd care to face in a courtroom, to be sure!
Mab is also a Judge... again, one that you'd rather not face.
But bureaucracy is its own separate horror, with paperwork and interdepartmental BS, with regulation "A" saying you MUST do a thing, while regulation "7.II.13b" says you MUST NOT do that exact thing, etc etc etc...
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