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Arjan:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 17, 2020, 12:53:09 AM ---@Arjan
Not being particularly religious I treat the Bible as lore.
@Bad AliasJim's kept it so vague that she could be a closet nun.  I'm just wore out with it.  But I guess he will get to the point.  Maybe.

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Always been interested in history and the history of the origins of Christianity is interesting stuff though too much has been lost. There is actually an interesting discussion about the meaning of the Greek word for these robbers. I read about it in a book originally but it is explained here:

https://sundaymorninggreekblog.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/thieves-robbers-or-rebels/amp/

It can mean robber or rebel but thief is actually a wrong translation, there is always violence involved.

Simple thieves were not executed on the cross. That was reserved for serious cases. It was not meant to satisfy the sense of justice of the population but to terrify an unruly population.

Dina:
What we have directly seen of Maggie (her message to Harry, his dream or something, when he felt that her hand is guiding him, showed her as a good woman. And people seemed to like her, so I am ready to believe she was reckless, dangerous, rebel but good at heart and perhaps many of the things she did where because of the White vampires influence.

By the way, I don't think Raith was involved in the Starborn plan, simply because he was not searching for Maggie child.

Mira:

--- Quote ---Simple thieves were not executed on the cross. That was reserved for serious cases. It was not meant to satisfy the sense of justice of the population but to terrify an unruly population.
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 I think the point is the "thief" said that they deserved their punishment, harsh as it was and that Jesus did not.  So whatever it was that they did to get themselves crucified, he wasn't arguing the point.   The whole point of that story, or the lesson it was trying to teach, is yes, no matter how bad you are, one good act can bring about redemption.   That is what the Holy Knights are about in their fight with the Denarians, to give up their coins and get on the path towards redemption.  That is what Uriel risked his Grace for in Skin Game, redemption.   So given all of that, Margaret met Malcolm, a man pure of heart, truly a good man, she fell in love..  Never underestimate the power of love to change things, it can be for good or in some cases for evil.  In Margaret's case it was for good, to make herself worthy of Malcolm's love she began to reevaluate what her life had been.  To make herself worthy of Malcolm's love with the help of the Winter Court and others she came up with a plan not just for her own redemption but to save the world as we know it, the star child.   It cost her her life, but it also brought about her redemption.

Mr. Death:

--- Quote from: Dina on February 17, 2020, 01:27:54 PM ---What we have directly seen of Maggie (her message to Harry, his dream or something, when he felt that her hand is guiding him, showed her as a good woman. And people seemed to like her, so I am ready to believe she was reckless, dangerous, rebel but good at heart and perhaps many of the things she did where because of the White vampires influence.

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I'd attribute them more to arrogance and naivete, myself. She seems to me like a woman who dove into things with the mindset of, "I know what I'm doing, screw those old fogies, nobody can stop me!" then eventually realized she was in way over her head and made a lot of her last moves out of fear, regret and desperation.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Mr. Death on February 18, 2020, 03:48:59 PM ---I'd attribute them more to arrogance and naivete, myself. She seems to me like a woman who dove into things with the mindset of, "I know what I'm doing, screw those old fogies, nobody can stop me!" then eventually realized she was in way over her head and made a lot of her last moves out of fear, regret and desperation.

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   I don't think that so much as she saw a system that did need changing .  And like a lot of young protestors she found out that change is difficult and can backfire on you.  She already was nursing a bit of a grudge because her father made the mistake of thinking he could train her.  It is like a mistake that some parents make teaching their kids to drive, they are too emotionally involved. This created a degree of anger in her to begin with, between that and the reception she got for her ideas before the Council she did what many protesters of the sixties and seventies did, she went rouge and underground..  She was so vulnerable to falling in with stronger types, not always on the right side of the law, as in the leader of the White Vamp Court.

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