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Arjan:

--- Quote from: Mira on February 16, 2020, 07:47:47 PM ---  He was a criminal though because the man who defended Jesus say that the two of them deserved to die because they guilty of what they were accused of where as Jesus wasn't.

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If they were guilty of rebelling against the roman state then I see nothing wrong with that.

morriswalters:
Penitent thief
--- Quote ---39 Now one of the criminals hanging there reviled Jesus, saying, "Are you not the Messiah? Save yourself and us." 40 The other, however, rebuking him, said in reply, "Have you no fear of God, for you are subject to the same condemnation? 41 And indeed, we have been condemned justly, for the sentence we received corresponds to our crimes, but this man has done nothing criminal." 42 Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." 43 He replied to him, "Amen I say to you today you will be with me in Paradise." 23:39–43
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Arjan:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 16, 2020, 10:15:20 PM ---Penitent thief

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One of the reasons I do not trust the biblical text. Judea at that moment was almost continuously in armed uprising against rome only the intensity varied somewhat. You hear nothing about that in the scriptures. It is far more likely that he hung there because of that and the later pro roman redaction made a thief out of him. Just as it is more likely that jesus was crucified because the romans saw a threat in him. It was a roman punishment.

As history the whole thing is a mess. The whole narrative is shaped by its message. 

Bad Alias:
I'm just saying that what we know of Margaret is pretty limited. It's probably how a lot of the older warden's would still describe Harry, who also abandoned his child. The official timeline is fuzzy enough that Margaret may have accidentally conceived Harry with Malcolm and that is how she escaped Raith.

Supposition: Margaret was only involved with "grey" magic. She had legal, but unsavory associates. Raith was one of them. Raith got his hooks into her. Raith twisted her until she was capable of violating the Laws. Raith had been preparing Margaret to conceive a starborn child. She meets Malcolm somewhere, somehow. She falls in love with him. They conceive Harry. She becomes immune to Raith's control. She makes a quick deal with Lea to protect Harry before Lord Raith realizes what's going on. This keeps her safe until Harry is born. In the meantime, she sets up the soulgaze we see in Blood Rites (I have a feeling it isn't a mind magic situation). She gets word to Morgan, and they agree to meet under a flag of truce. She explains what's going on and that she's almost certainly going to die as soon as the child is born. Morgan promises to protect the child because it makes sense from a practical stand point and because protecting children fits his character anyway.

My point is we don't really know what was going on, and Margaret could easily be much more sympathetic than she appears.


--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 16, 2020, 09:07:27 PM ---Jim's building to some type of reveal about her.  As a reader, for that to have impact I need to be involved emotionally with the character.   And I'm not.  Right now I'm at the, she bought it and she had to pay for it,  and good riddance, stage.
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Me too. I'm just saying Jim has room to change what we think about Margaret without contradicting the story in ways that an audience can't accept. Without adding anything so that we perceive Margaret more favorably, the reveal about Margaret, if it does happen, could have impact because of what it means to Harry.

morriswalters:
@Arjan
Not being particularly religious I treat the Bible as lore.
@Bad Alias

--- Quote ---My point is we don't really know what was going on, and Margaret could easily be much more sympathetic than she appears.
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Jim's kept it so vague that she could be a closet nun.  I'm just wore out with it.  But I guess he will get to the point.  Maybe.

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