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Harry's use of Black Magic
Mira:
--- Quote from: Kindler on January 29, 2020, 06:20:24 PM ---I think the real question is "If it does start messing with his head, will it be qualitatively different from the way the Winter Knight's Mantle does?" I mean, would Harry even notice if he started getting impulses based on mental domination/death/destruction/sexual assault from using Black Magic? Or would he just be like, "Damn Winter, gettin' in my head again!"
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But does it matter how he knows as long as he knows? If he knows it is in his head, he can fight it as he has all along... That is also what his friends are for and they have tapped him on the shoulder a time or two about his actions and made him think.
Bad Alias:
"This Law covers the research and practice of necromancy, described as the summoning, binding, and exploitation of the unwilling dead." https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Magic#cite_note-DF03ch09-19. Citing Grave Peril, Ch. 9. So the ghosts in Grave Peril weren't unwillingly exploited. The existence of Mort proves there is some distinction between ectomancy and necromancy.
If Thomas is mortal enough to count for Mab, then is killing a WCV with magic a violation? What about a Denarian? What about the "mortal" from the hunt in Cold Days? He also probably killed a few of the people on the barges.
How is raising Chauncey a violation?
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 30, 2020, 12:23:41 AM ---If Thomas is mortal enough to count for Mab, then is killing a WCV with magic a violation? What about a Denarian? What about the "mortal" from the hunt in Cold Days? He also probably killed a few of the people on the barges.
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Mab explicitly said Thomas was 'mortal enough' because he's in love. He's not a normal BCV.
The human transformed into a hound that he killed in the wild hunt may not count because of being shapeshifted at the time. Harry has never shown any qualms about attempted or actual magical killing of transformed Denarians, like he might be buying himself a death sentence.
Bad Alias:
The point about Thomas is if he can be mortal, then what's stopping some other wamp from being "mortal enough."
Obviously the shapeshifted mortal doesn't necessarily count. (There is a reason I put a question mark on all these). He might not even have been a mortal in the first place. I know no one has said anything about the Denarians in the books, but my question is why? The mortal half of the Denarian equation is necessary, so he's definitely killing a mortal with magic.
The first law of magic is "thou shall not kill." The implication is "a mortal with magic." The Denarian example proves that one or more of these words is colored with shades of gray. Or he's violating the first law when he kills Denarians.
segaily:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 30, 2020, 02:32:10 AM ---The point about Thomas is if he can be mortal, then what's stopping some other wamp from being "mortal enough."
Obviously the shapeshifted mortal doesn't necessarily count. (There is a reason I put a question mark on all these). He might not even have been a mortal in the first place. I know no one has said anything about the Denarians in the books, but my question is why? The mortal half of the Denarian equation is necessary, so he's definitely killing a mortal with magic.
The first law of magic is "thou shall not kill." The implication is "a mortal with magic." The Denarian example proves that one or more of these words is colored with shades of gray. Or he's violating the first law when he kills Denarians.
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I would say a killing a Denarian directly with his magic would count as black magic. I can not remember if Harry has actually done that however. For example he used wind to push a falling Denarian into the Denarian magic barrier. The magic barrier killed them not directly Harry's wind magic so that would not be black Magic.
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