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Harry's use of Black Magic
Yuillegan:
How was Maeve atypical? What do you base that on? Whilst she did become infected and such, she actually left her role the same way as some Queens before her - feet first. If anything, she is typical.
Molly won't end like what exactly? Death? Or won't become the Winter Lady? Because, I hate to tell you, she probably will. She is darker than Dresden, she likes her power.
And as has been said multiple times over, the Mantle eventually shapes the occupant to look like the previous one, because they are imitating the Mantle. Lilly would have eventually been near indistinguishable from Aurora, eventually. Look up Dresden's interactions with Lilly post Summer Knight. Jim spells it out.
Mira:
The Fae can be killed, Aurora was killed by steel box knives, Maeve, by a bullet, Lily, by a bullet.
Jim is going by the Tolkien rule for elves, they are basically immortal but they can be killed by violence.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on February 20, 2020, 11:06:11 AM ---How was Maeve atypical? What do you base that on? Whilst she did become infected and such, she actually left her role the same way as some Queens before her - feet first. If anything, she is typical.
Molly won't end like what exactly? Death? Or won't become the Winter Lady? Because, I hate to tell you, she probably will. She is darker than Dresden, she likes her power.
And as has been said multiple times over, the Mantle eventually shapes the occupant to look like the previous one, because they are imitating the Mantle. Lilly would have eventually been near indistinguishable from Aurora, eventually. Look up Dresden's interactions with Lilly post Summer Knight. Jim spells it out.
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Maeve did not do her job for more than a century. She was not that old as a queen so I think one of the reasons she could make a deal with nemesis is that her whole personality under the mantle was intact.
She was resisting her mantle. See also Sarissa’s remark about her boyfriends in Cold Days. That deal with nemesis did not come out of thin air.
Besides I do not think Bob is completely correct here. He is somewhat pessimistic just like he thought Harry’s conversion to a monster would be fast and inevitable. Mother summer did not agree. We do not have the complete picture but it is far more complicated than Bob tells us.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Besides I do not think Bob is completely correct here. He is somewhat pessimistic just like he thought Harry’s conversion to a monster would be fast and inevitable. Mother summer did not agree. We do not have the complete picture but it is far more complicated than Bob tells us.
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We also have to consider Bob's point of view, he and Mab have issues, which may color his opinion on matters concerning the mantles of both Summer and Winter Courts. There are things that Bob may know about but not have understanding of. Harry says that in Cold Days concerning the soul and soul fire when Mother Winter had him pinned to the ground and he used it to throw her off.
page 317 Cold Days
--- Quote ---Bob is brilliant, but there are some things he just doesn't get. His definition was a good place to get started, but it was also something that was perhaps too comfortably quantifiable.
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In other words Bob may be able to define what the mantles are, say even what they do and mostly how they affect the holder, but not everything. The results are not always the same, a lot depends on the strength of personality and will of the holder, Harry as opposed to Slate, Lily as opposed to Aurora, Maeve as opposed to Molly, this is beyond Bob's expertise.
didymos:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 20, 2020, 12:51:30 PM ---The Fae can be killed, Aurora was killed by steel box knives, Maeve, by a bullet, Lily, by a bullet.
Jim is going by the Tolkien rule for elves, they are basically immortal but they can be killed by violence.
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Only at certain times/places, according to Cold Days:
--- Quote ---“Right, then!” Bob said. “The only way to kill an immortal is at certain specific places.”
“And you know one? Where?”
“Hah, already you’re making a human assumption. There are more than three dimensions, Harry. Not all places are in space. Some of them are places in time. They’re called conjunctions.”
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Otherwise...:
--- Quote ---“Maeve’s an immortal, Harry. One of the least of the immortals, maybe, but immortal all the same. Chop her up if you want to. Burn her. Scatter her ashes to the winds. But it won’t kill her. She’ll be back. Maybe in months, maybe years, but you can’t just kill her. She’s the Winter Lady.”
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