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Harry's use of Black Magic
didymos:
--- Quote from: Arjan on February 19, 2020, 07:06:01 PM ---The gatekeeper is older than some immortals. It seems that using a lot of magic keeps you young.
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Harry is older than some immortals. Lily for instance, when she was still alive. There are likely a ton of young immortals, what with changelings choosing on a regular basis.
--- Quote ---Wizard healing is one step up from normal people. Are they all human?
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Yes.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Harry is older than some immortals. Lily for instance, when she was still alive. There are likely a ton of young immortals, what with changelings choosing on a regular basis.
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Harry was older than Lily when she was a young mortal.. She was still a young mortal when she got roped into becoming an immortal. So yeah, in that sense he was older than her immortal self... However she still could be killed and she was, she died very young.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: didymos on February 19, 2020, 07:17:15 PM ---Harry is older than some immortals. Lily for instance, when she was still alive. There are likely a ton of young immortals, what with changelings choosing on a regular basis.
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Changelings who choose get eternal youth but they are not immortal. They get killed on a regular basis and do not reform like the queens do.
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That is your definition. It depends how you look at it. You could argue that immortals are simply mortals who prolong their life and youth by handling big amounts of magic just like wizards do on a smaller scale. Something in principle available to all magically gifted humans. It has been suggested that they can set aside that magic as well. Do they then become human again or were they human all along?
We see the story from the point of view of a wizard who wants to be a human and sees himself as different from the so called immortals but with the winter mantle he is already one step up and some people may question his humanity. Point of view is important.
You can also argue that the whole story about them being better than human, being super human is just propaganda so that they can feel better than us. We don't have to buy into that. They are certainly more powerfull than we and they live longer but biologically they are just human.
didymos:
--- Quote from: Arjan on February 19, 2020, 09:56:29 PM ---Changelings who choose get eternal youth but they are not immortal. They get killed on a regular basis and do not reform like the queens do.
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Says who? I'm not aware of any WOJ about that.
g33k:
--- Quote from: didymos on February 19, 2020, 11:47:27 PM --- Says who? I'm not aware of any WOJ about that.
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It's pretty strongly inferred by Bob in Cold Days discussing specific individuals as immortals and un-killable (except (revealed nervously) in specific circumstances). It it had applied to all the fae, or even all the sidhe, I think it would have come out during that conversation.
Plus, we don't see folks getting fallout from the returns of their prior kills.
I'm pretty sure that "Unaging" or "ever-young" isn't as un-killable as the Queens & Kings and old Gods and other "immortals."
But it isn't explicitly stated, that I know of.
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