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Drakul/Dracula- Blood of the Dragon.
Bad Alias:
It's hinted at in Changes and claimed in one of the Paranet Papers manuals that the Red Court vampires are only masquerading as the Lords of the Outer Night.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 25, 2020, 06:46:51 PM --- It's hinted at in Changes and claimed in one of the Paranet Papers manuals that the Red Court vampires are only masquerading as the Lords of the Outer Night ...
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We don't actually know the origin of Red Court vamps (we know, in contrast, the Black Court came from a Drakul-scion's efforts to impress Daddy).
But I'm pretty sure it's confirmed that some ancient Ramp's in mesoamerica found weakened "gods" there, and managed to kill them and absorb some of their powers. So the Ramp king and the Ramp LotON were kinda-sorta "Ramps on 'Roids."
Whether the beings whose powers they stole (and then had inside themselves) were using Outsider-Powers isn't something we know: AFAIK, the only hints so are in the "Out" bits of the names.
Which isn't nothing! But isn't definitive.
Bad Alias:
We do know the origin of every Red Court vampire save one, and that is the Red King (both the one we don't know the origin of and the origin of all the others). We have substantial evidence of the origin of the Lords of the Outer Night title for the Red Court elite.
It's never said that they killed the old gods. It's even hinted that those old gods were freed when the Dresden killed all the RCV.
I would say the "Outer" part of it is pretty scant evidence that the original LotON are/were Outsiders/Outsider affiliates.
Yuillegan:
^^Yep. The paranet papers imply (while leaving wiggle room for Jim) that the Lord of the Outer Night were feeding on some old dark gods, but kept them alive and weakened, and by feeding on them boosted their powers considerably. However when the Red Court was destroyed it appears they may be rising again.
No, it is true we don't really know the origins of any but the Black Court. But they all appear linked by something - despite very different physiological, magical and social characteristics. There is an implied shared origin or link, something that links them closer than to other demons or other supernatural types. Hence why they are all part of the Vampire Courts. The current leading WAG is that they all are related to Outsiders or perhaps Drakul in some way, as he is the only known being to be linked to the creation of a Vampire Court.
Bad Alias:
And there is enough contradictory material to argue that we don't know the origin of the Black Court. What's said in the books conflicts with some of the WoJ about it. See generally https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod. I generally take WoJ at face value, though.
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