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Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on April 13, 2020, 08:56:06 AM ---I think Harry did the right thing but I am not a Sidhe, in my book a deliberately incomplete truth is still a lie.
On second thought the Sidhe agree with me. They never say they can not lie as far as I can remember, the say they can not speak untruth.
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Actually I had forgotten the part about the steel, however I also doubt that Susan believed it or
that it made any difference once she knew the truth about Martin.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 13, 2020, 11:42:37 AM --- Actually I had forgotten the part about the steel, however I also doubt that Susan believed it or
that it made any difference once she knew the truth about Martin.
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We see everything from Harry's point of view and he is big on taking blame but as soon as Susan understood what Harry's intention was she was totally into it, she just did not have the power to do it herself.
So the question is when did Susan understood what her only chance to save her daughter was and I think that that was much earlier than Harry understood that Susan understood.
Maybe she made herself snap.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on April 13, 2020, 12:35:09 PM ---We see everything from Harry's point of view and he is big on taking blame but as soon as Susan understood what Harry's intention was she was totally into it, she just did not have the power to do it herself.
So the question is when did Susan understood what her only chance to save her daughter was and I think that that was much earlier than Harry understood that Susan understood.
Maybe she made herself snap.
--- End quote ---
I just checked and we have to go back a bit further, when they began the trip. It was Lea that dressed them, it was she who implied that Susan's cloak and outfit would protect her. Harry remarked at the time that he'd prefer Kevlar, then Lea actually shot a bullet at Susan and she was safe. Harry repeated it to Susan during the crisis, though he, himself didn't fully believe it. Does
that make it a lie? Just because he didn't believe it, it doesn't make it so, based on the earlier evidence, he could have been totally wrong. It could also be that Lea herself was wrong in thinking
her set up would protect Susan because she didn't account for iron and steel weapons. Or back to why one should never bargain with the Fae, they cannot lie but they are also selective as to the what the full truth is.
--- Quote ---So the question is when did Susan understood what her only chance to save her daughter was and I think that that was much earlier than Harry understood that Susan understood.
Maybe she made herself snap.
--- End quote ---
I think she did make herself snap for a number of reasons. However just taking rational reasoning out of the equation, let's consider the emotional gut response. Susan had depended on Martin for a number of years, he was her mentor in a lot of ways, he friend, her confidant, to find out he was playing both sides of the street? That is a gut punch for anyone to absorb and sets off an immediate emotional response or snapping. That is the human response, but in the half turned that sets up the vamp take over and the kill. I don't think neither she nor Harry made her snap, the information, the situation made it happen.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 12, 2020, 12:52:46 PM --- ... The White Council exist in the story mostly to make Harry's life harder! If they can prosecute him for something, they probably will. It's all they do for most of the series ...
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I think that used to be the case.
Now, I think they're just hoping that Someone Else will take care of Harry for them (hopefully without involving the White Council); as Marcone keeps saying, Harry will get himself killed.
It's also not clear to me whether the WC can claim jurisdiction, so long as Harry is Winter Knight: the Unseelie Accords probably grant Harry immunity from Council law, so long as Sir Harry doesn't offer offense under the Accords themselves (which take no account of "mere" wizard-law).
But recall:
Dresden is the wizard who -- when Kemmlerite necromancers took Captain Luccio and Donald Morgan out of the picture -- summoned back an unimaginably-ancient zombie dinosaur and took down the entire cabal of necromancers with only one junior-Warden for backup.
Dresden is the wizard who -- when Peabody betrayed them all, when Peabody disabled the ENTIRE detail of Wardens running security, when Peabody murdered ultimate-hardcase-Warden Donald Morgan, when Peabody escaped the ENTIRE Senior Council) -- chased Peabody down and killed him.
Then there's the Red Court; they were (IIRC) something like six thousand years old. The White Council maybe 1500, and had spent most of their coexistence in a chafing-uncomfortably border-warfare state.
After a few years with a hate-on between the Ramps and Harry Dresden -- including some direct moves against him, which all fail -- Dresden killed them ALL.
He's also notched a couple of Faerie Queens, assaulted Arctis Tor, and generally punched way WAY above his supposed weight-class (for a relatively-junior wizard).
At this point, the White Council is probably pretty damned averse to the idea of "prosecuting" (or doing anything else to "threaten") Harry Dresden... for any reason whatsoever. Threats to Harry Dresden -- all magnitudes and scopes of threat -- wind up utterly destroyed.
Oh, sure -- Langtry remains a foe; but the WC as a whole? I don't think they'd be at all happy to see Dresden become a foe of the WCofWizards.
Better to let someone ELSE take him down; at the rate he's going, it's looking more and more likely!
morriswalters:
--- Quote ---It's also not clear to me whether the WC can claim jurisdiction
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The existence of thousand yard head shot, or a Predator drone and a Hellfire missile would seem to say that jurisdiction is a function of how bad you want Harry dead. Ask the CIA. ;)
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