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Mira:
--- Quote ---In Cold Days, Harry launched a Soulfire/Winter strike on HWWBh, who blocked almost the whole thing; and the one strike drained a LOT of Harry's power.
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Yeah, but in Cold Days Harry was still working out how Soulfire and the Winter Mantle work... He still was kind of intimidated by both and afraid of becoming a monster. By the end though some of it had gotten through, from what Kringle told him, Harry is a lot more powerful than he knows. All I am saying Harry's got weapons, he just doesn't quite have the skill set or confidence to deploy them, so while at that point he may drain his resources fighting HWWB, but by the BAT I bet that won't happen, and he won't need Hell Fire to do it either. Let's not forget the stash of weapons he got from the vault in Skin Game, Hades said only those clever enough to take them would be able to used them if I remember correctly.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 21, 2020, 07:15:22 PM ---What I think we will see is Harry will learn how to "take off" the Mantle at will; it's still there, still his; but he won't be the Mantle's, and he will have other things too. Vadderung, after all, isn't ALWAYS Kringle (and very well may have another Mantle -- or several -- he sometimes wears, as well).
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My bet is either Harry gets out of it or this. I'm leaning towards this. I think that was the whole point of the scene. I know Jim has said that Harry's deal to become the Winter Knight overrode his "three favors" deal, but that's not what happened in the books. I don't know if Jim is lying to throw us off or misremembering because it's not important to him since he doesn't plan on Harry getting out of the Mantle that way.
--- Quote from: Mira on February 21, 2020, 06:07:52 AM ---I agree about Rashid, however he does have his own agenda, remember in Summer Knight he was more like doing his own testing than protecting Harry from the Council. He told Harry he would have killed him, himself if Harry had slipped up. I think you are thinking of Proven Guilty, I don't believe Eb was at the trial itself for Molly, he came in later at the same time as Michael, however it was Rashid that delayed things that kept Molly alive and supported Harry.
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I meant Summer Knight in the sentence I said Summer Knight, and I meant Proven Guilty in the next sentence. Rashid does indeed have his own agenda, but he has constantly acted in ways that help Harry.
--- Quote from: g33k on February 24, 2020, 06:16:43 PM ---It just takes some knowledge, I think. Most of Lash "went away" in the Raith Deeps, but everything that was "Lash" existed inside Harry's mind... was a part of Harry; Harry was (and presumably still IS, if he knows how) capable of it.
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While I don't agree, I do think this is highly plausible.
noblehunter:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 24, 2020, 11:29:58 PM ---Yeah, but in Cold Days Harry was still working out how Soulfire and the Winter Mantle work... He still was kind of intimidated by both and afraid of becoming a monster. By the end though some of it had gotten through, from what Kringle told him, Harry is a lot more powerful than he knows. All I am saying Harry's got weapons, he just doesn't quite have the skill set or confidence to deploy them, so while at that point he may drain his resources fighting HWWB, but by the BAT I bet that won't happen, and he won't need Hell Fire to do it either. Let's not forget the stash of weapons he got from the vault in Skin Game, Hades said only those clever enough to take them would be able to used them if I remember correctly.
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I think this is well supported by the books being very consistent that how you use power greatly effects the efficiency of it. Wizards who are more powerful than Harry almost always show it by using less power to get a stronger effect. Where Harry would use the magical equivalent of a sledgehammer, Luccio or Morgan use a stiletto because they're simply better at using magic than Harry.
A good chunk of Harry's leveling up has been because he had to revisit the basics to teach Molly and to find ways to do things with a much smaller power budget. He's probably got all the raw power he needs for the BAT, he just needs to learn how to use it for maximum advantage.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 25, 2020, 04:41:03 PM ---I meant Summer Knight in the sentence I said Summer Knight, and I meant Proven Guilty in the next sentence. Rashid does indeed have his own agenda, but he has constantly acted in ways that help Harry.
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It may be more useful for your theorizing if you consider what the Gatekeeper and others are doing is moving Harry to a specific place and time. And that if he moves in the wrong direction they are prepared to kill him. Also in terms of Mentors, one not mentioned in the text of PG but who is there anyway. Uriel. First then in PG, then Small Favor, again in Changes, Ghost Story and finally in SG.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 25, 2020, 06:31:46 PM ---It may be more useful for your theorizing if you consider what the Gatekeeper and others are doing is moving Harry to a specific place and time. And that if he moves in the wrong direction they are prepared to kill him. Also in terms of Mentors, one not mentioned in the text of PG but who is there anyway. Uriel. First then in PG, then Small Favor, again in Changes, Ghost Story and finally in SG.
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Yup, the Gatekeeper said as much in Summer Knight, he had his own little test for Harry that had nothing to do with the politics of the Senior Council, and in Turn Coat I believe he would have burned him down when he scanned him on the dock if he thought something was amiss.. Also in Proven Guilty when he helped to delay the Merlin from proxy voting for almost the whole Senior Council, I believe as well as saving both Molly and Harry he was also pushing them both towards the Winter Court.
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