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KurtinStGeorge:
I almost wish I had never mentioned the Hero's Journey; fascinating as the discussion following that has been, because that discussion sidesteps a very real reason why many readers could expect Ebenezer to be killed of a some point in the story.
Ever since Summer Knight; when we were first were first introduced to Eb, Harry's grandfather has acted as Harry's ally and protector on the White Council. The person who could keep the Merlin from ramming a death sentence down Harry's throat. The person who would warn Harry that the Merlin would have a back-up plan and come at Harry sideways. In Death Masks, Eb told Harry the White Council would prevent the duel between Ortega and Harry from taking place. Does anyone doubt Eb was the person who pushed the White Council to take that stance? It was Ebenezer, and Eb's allies on the Senior Council, that Harry was counting on to save Molly from a death sentence in Proven Guilty.
Now Jim has stated more than once, that now Harry is the Winter Knight, no one on the White Council wants to risk pissing off Mab by killing her mortal champion. So Harry doesn't need Eb's pull on the Council as an insurance policy any longer. However, by itself this doesn't make Ebenezer superfluous for the rest of Harry's story, but it does make Eb vulnerable; or to put it another way, it removes Eb's plot armor. I'm not predicting that Ebenezer will die in Peace Talks. Even if Jim has decided that he will kill off Eb at some point, it doesn't have to be done in the near term. I was thinking that one possibility is that at some point Harry gets out of being the Winter Knight. It's just a gut feeling, but I don't see Harry remaining the Winter Knight for eight more novels. (Five, including PT to get to twenty case novels, followed by a big trilogy.) So Harry survives leaving his Winter Knight gig, but he still has Ebenzer as an ally on the Senior Council. Then suddenly something bad happens and Harry no longer has Ebenezer as an insurance policy. Remember in Turn Coat the Gatekeeper mentioned something about Harry's time to take a stand against the Council was not yet at hand? I figure the best time for this to take place is when Ebenezer is no longer around. This way there's no one in higher authority who can intervene in Harry's behalf. It would ratchet up the tension by making the situation an all or nothing scenario.
Than again, as I stated in my earlier post, Ebenezer doesn't die, but something happens that diminishes him in some way. It would have to have the same effect of isolating Harry without killing the old man off.
Mira:
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Than again, as I stated in my earlier post, Ebenezer doesn't die, but something happens that diminishes him in some way. It would have to have the same effect of isolating Harry without killing the old man off.
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If Harry gets out of the Winter Knight's gig I can see him becoming the Blackstaff, something that would go against his grain even more than being Winter Knight. However I don't see him getting out of it, I think it is too important in the fight ahead, now the role itself may change but since both Courts are going to be in the fight, I see Harry remaining Knight. There is a reason why Molly is now Winter Lady, perfect that Harry is her Knight for the fight.
Even though we didn't meet him until Summer Knight, Eb's presence was felt when Harry spoke of his faith in magic and the ethics of it.
noblehunter:
I'm betting Eb dies at or near the beginning of the BAT. Taking him out would seriously weaken the White Council and be a good indication things are about to get much worse. If Jim really wants to drive home that the end of all things is just around the corner, both Eb and the Merlin will go down at the same time.
Though I'll hedge my bets with Eb going down in Peace Talks just because.
Maz:
Just thinking...
What if Harry does get out of the Winter Knight gig...
by someone taking out the Winter Court.
Not Mab. The whole thing. Including Molly and his Mantle.
I mean if the Outsiders want to win they have to do it. What if they do it a couple books early and you deprive reality of Mab and any successor.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Maz on February 20, 2020, 05:49:30 PM ---Just thinking...
What if Harry does get out of the Winter Knight gig...
by someone taking out the Winter Court.
Not Mab. The whole thing. Including Molly and his Mantle.
I mean if the Outsiders want to win they have to do it. What if they do it a couple books early and you deprive reality of Mab and any successor.
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The outsiders win. There is a reason for Molly to faithfully do her duty. If it was just for Mab’s pleasure she would have behaved quite differently.
She is in many respects totally different from Maeve.
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