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Some interesting things from Death Masks
Mira:
--- Quote ---Specifically what the relationship was described as was volatile. She would call for him then send him away to keep her hatred hot. What's your reasoning to say that the Circle wanted a protracted, balanced conflict? If anything they wanted the opposite.
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In my opinion the jury is out on that one. I don't think there is enough evidence either way, personal ambition and vendettas yes, but that doesn't make an over all stradagy. If we believe
that Shiro was speaking from actual knowledge of what the Reds and the Circle wanted verses
just trying to make Harry feel less like he was the blame for the beginning of the war, the Circle
did want war, but not at this time. Harry's actions goaded their cat's paw into war before they
were ready for it. So in my opinion we have no information on what kind of war the Circle
wanted to fight, only that Harry's actions with Ortega pushed their cat's paw at least into one before they were ready to fight it.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on December 22, 2019, 11:43:15 PM --- 1) Ortega calls Harry a self-righteous madman who will "destroy us all". What is he talking about? Harry might be self-righteous and has a few times been accused of being crazy, but how would Harry's actions destroy everyone? My guess is that the Reds don't want the end of the world, they simply want to be on top when it comes. Harry's early start to the war interferes with that plan and perhaps Ortega believes only the Red Court would have the power to control the outcome of the end times - an event or series of event that lots of players seem aware of that is imminent...
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I don't think Ortega's POV is as capacious as to include everyone in the world as part of "us."
I think he was just talking about the Red Court vs. the White Council; that Harry would precipitate a war, which would be so debilitating (to both sides) that neither could long survive.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on December 23, 2019, 02:09:41 AM ---I might be misremembering, but I thought this one was explained as Sanya not knowing about the kevlar and stuff.
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I recall Harry saying something along the lines of "Faith, huh?" when he learns of the kevlar. Harry says something about Charity making Michael use it and Michael responding that Charity made his armor and put it there herself.
My view is that the Red Court wanted an overwhelming victory, and what the Circle wanted could be something else entirely. It could be that the Circle was who maneuvered Harry into starting the war early because they wanted to greatly weaken both the vampires and the wizards.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on December 23, 2019, 04:11:02 AM ---What's your reasoning to say that the Circle wanted a protracted, balanced conflict? If anything they wanted the opposite.
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Their entire M.O. is degrading all the status quo power nations to create a vacuum.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on December 24, 2019, 12:26:39 AM ---Their entire M.O. is degrading all the status quo power nations to create a vacuum.
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That could be true, so what is the role of the Foman in all of this? Are they working with Circle? Or
are they just another cat's paw who thinks they have power?
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