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Denarians and/or Circle in Storm Front?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 10, 2020, 08:09:15 PM ---@morris: I basically agree. My only point of difference is I'm neutral on three-eye making a return. Wouldn't be surprised at all either way.
@Mira: Harry was 25 in Storm Front. He's 34 in Small Favor. He sees possible futures of everything he sees with the sight in Storm Front and knows that's what he's seeing. In Small Favor, he's about the right age for his precognition to begin to develop, it does, and he's put off by it because, dare I say, it's something he wouldn't have expected to happen. This strongly suggests EIW to me.
I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me or just adding clarifying citations to my references.
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Maybe splitting hairs, but in Storm Front when Harry is looking at the house, he is purposely using
his wizard's Sight, he senses a lot of things among them is death, he sees the house surrounded by death, as he says it could be his own. However I think it is very different from what he experienced going down the path on the island in Small Favor. When he is looking at the house in Storm Front, yeah, what he saw panned out, shortly there would be death in that house, however it was also the scene for the past orgies of death that ripped out hearts from miles away. Sells was preparing one of those to take out Harry, so Harry was seeing it present tense for what it was it was, a place of death. What he experienced on what would become Demonreach was still a couple of years or so in the future. So one was merely what is always revealed to him if he uses his wizard's sight, while
what happened in Small Favor is normal precognition which is sometimes experienced and perfectly normal in wizards as they mature.
Bad Alias:
Harry talks about how he sees things in houses's future and all the seasons. Then he says the future seen with the sight is changeable. "No matter how strong the vision, how powerful the image gained with the Sight, the future was always mutable, always something that can be changed." - Storm Front
--- Quote from: Mira on January 10, 2020, 10:07:43 PM ---I think it is very different from what he experienced going down the path on the island in Small Favor.
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If you add "and all the other books" to your quote, that's my point.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 11, 2020, 01:29:31 AM ---Harry talks about how he sees things in houses's future and all the seasons. Then he says the future seen with the sight is changeable. "No matter how strong the vision, how powerful the image gained with the Sight, the future was always mutable, always something that can be changed." - Storm Front
If you add "and all the other books" to your quote, that's my point.
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But my point is he is using his Sight in Storm Front, he purposely opened his Wizard's Third
Eye to look at the house and he saw all of these things, he understands that he would. In Small Favor it just happens on it's own, which is something that has never happened to Harry before, that is why he asks Luccio about it. He doesn't know what he had just experienced is.
g33k:
It seems like there's some sort of doubling-up of the term "Sight" here.
There is the "True Sight" of the Third Eye -- pierces veils, sees Things As They Are. Everything seen this way is unforgettable, often agonizingly so. As far as Harry knows, this is an intentional "turn-on / turn-off" phenomenon.
This thing from Small Favor (that Luccio calls "the Sight") seems to be something different. From what she says, it is based around precognition, and so it's a chancy thing, subject to being changed by Free Will; it may or may not be subject to conscious control (it wasn't when it happened on the island), but doesn't have that overwhelming, soul-searing immediacy.
Thus I conclude it's two different phenomena, that both seem to go by the same name.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on January 11, 2020, 09:02:36 PM ---It seems like there's some sort of doubling-up of the term "Sight" here.
There is the "True Sight" of the Third Eye -- pierces veils, sees Things As They Are. Everything seen this way is unforgettable, often agonizingly so. As far as Harry knows, this is an intentional "turn-on / turn-off" phenomenon.
This thing from Small Favor (that Luccio calls "the Sight") seems to be something different. From what she says, it is based around precognition, and so it's a chancy thing, subject to being changed by Free Will; it may or may not be subject to conscious control (it wasn't when it happened on the island), but doesn't have that overwhelming, soul-searing immediacy.
Thus I conclude it's two different phenomena, that both seem to go by the same name.
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Exactly, and it is a bit confusing. The big difference is with the Third Eye Wizard's Sight, a wizard has some control over using it, though no control of what he or she might see with it. With the "Wizard's Sight" as described in Small Favor, there is no control, it just happens.
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