The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Denarians and/or Circle in Storm Front?
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 09, 2020, 07:03:28 PM ---Your point of view has everything to do with it. If this was a visual medium Jim could do it another way, but if he doesn't put a label on it, it loses its punch. So wizard and he who walks behind makes sense. Anything else doesn't. The assumption Jim hands you is that the sight interpreted what he saw, for him.
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Huh? You are not making any sense... Let's read the quote again shall we? 134-135 Storm Front
--- Quote ---The young man looked at me, and his eyes rounded and dialated, until I thought they had turned into huge black coins dotted with his bloodshot eyeballs. Hiseyes rolled back into his head until he could hardly have been able to see, and he started to shout in a clarion voice
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It is the kid strung out on Three Eye looking at Harry.. Harry isn't using his wizard sight, he isn't interpreting anything.. He is just startled by this kid looking at him and now shouting at him...
--- Quote --- "Wizard!" he trumpeted. "Wizard! I see you! I see you wizard!
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That is the kid recognizing Harry for what he is, though how would he know a wizard when he saw him? How would he know a wizard from someone else with a magical aura? The kid yelling at Harry, "Wizard!" Vocal, no interrelation needed from Harry or us...
Next line, this is the strung out kid further telling Harry.
--- Quote ---"I see you wizard! I see the things that follow, those that walk before and He Who Walks Behind! They come, they come for you!"
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It's the kid who sees Harry not only as a wizard, but that he was mixed up with the likes of He Who Walks Behind. Not only would this kid not know a wizard on sight, but how in the hell would know an Outsider if he saw one? Let alone his name?
Harry goes on to say lower down on page 136 that he is marked by his encounter with Outsiders, he goes on to say
--- Quote ---But only a wizard had had that kind of vision, the ability to sense the auras and manifestations of magical phenomena. And that junkie was no wizard.
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That is the mystery, not just that Three Eye is real, it enabled the kid to see auras and magical phenomena, but it still doesn't explain how he'd know that Harry was a wizard or HWWB by name.
If you reread his shout out to Harry, "I see you wizard!" I get the feeling that the kid was sending
a message to Harry from someone.. The kid was somehow taught what to say if he ran into Harry a head of time, someone who knew the very mention of HWWB would freak Harry out, which it did a bit... Then the question becomes, who taught him?
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 09, 2020, 07:03:28 PM ---... Wide use of Three Eye would have destroyed the masquerade.
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Not destroyed it, I think. Not very quickly.
It's really hard for normals not to dismiss this as just more drug-induced hallucinations and psychoses (yeah, paranoia / psychoisis / etc are "normal" side-effects of many street drugs). Normals WANT to believe that everything's "normal," right?
Can you imagine a ThreeEye druggie, off his high and actually wanting to do the right thing, dragging a beat cop -- or even a detective for whom he's a stoolie -- over to Thomas Raith, saying, "No, really... he's like, this VAMPIRE, he's got, like, this DEMON INSIDE HIM, it makes him HUNGER for people, for their life!!!"
I can certainly imagine that...
But I can't imagine that sort of thing actually damaging the masquerade.
Bad Alias:
I subscribe to early installment weirdness (EIW) as the reason the junkie new Harry was a wizard and knew the name He Who Walks Behind, but for the sake of argument, I will attempt to explain why he could have known that even if it wasn't EIW. The sight works differently for everyone. I have no idea which book it's in, but Harry says something about how Carlos's sight. I recall something about colors and/or music. Harry describes his own sight as the vaguest he's heard of.
So it could be that this kid see's images with labels as to what they are. Or he sees images and just knows what those images are commonly called. It's actually easy to explain how he could know that Harry was a wizard. He could see him with that Mickey Mouse blue wizard hat with stars on it or some other common cultural reference to wizards. Coming up with something he could see that would explain why he said He Who Walks Behind is harder to understand.
Another point is that Harry is not surprised that the someone using the sight says He Who Walks Behind but that the kid is using the sight at all.
Mira's point that three-eye is about destroying or damaging the masquerade seems like the most likely answer I've seen. Through the novels and WoJ we've seen that if supernatural violence reaches a certain point, the masquerade will begin to be questioned. If three-eye were as widely used as pot, opiates, or meth; a sufficient percent of supernaturals responded to being discovered with violence + a sufficient number of users used enough to be convinced of the truth of the supernatural but not be addicts; then the masquerade would definitely be damaged.
@g33k: I'm pretty sure it was Bob in White Night. I'm 100% sure that's the right book.
I'm fairly certain that the sight had EIW in Storm Front because Harry see's the future of everything he looks at when using it at the lake house. Other than "the sight coming in" thing in Small Favor and the soulgaze with Molly, does anyone recall any connection between the sight and seeing/predicting the future?
morriswalters:
@Bad Alias
I'm speaking from a Doylist perspective. So your POV, versus Dresden's. If Butcher doesn't make the quote special by giving the effect a voice, the reader has nothing to hang his hat on. And the kid might as well be taking some potent Acid. To the average person magic doesn't exist, so nothing the user would see would make any sense, since he couldn't put a name to any of it.
@g33k
I can imagine it going to a FBI lab and starting some very interesting discussions.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 09, 2020, 09:24:21 PM ---@g33k: I'm pretty sure it was Bob in White Night. I'm 100% sure that's the right book.
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No, it was Lash.
About 1/3 of the way through Ch.41, while Harry's brain is sped-up, Lash finally switches sides, and tells Harry about having anti-Outsider powers, and that the demon he nailed back when he was 16 was an Outsider.
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