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Denarians and/or Circle in Storm Front?
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on January 05, 2020, 06:08:55 PM ---IIRC, the kid only cited HWWBh's name... which was sufficient to get Harry engaged. He didn't say anything the Outsider would have "known," but he somehow saw & identified the Outsider's stain on Harry's aura.
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But the point is, how would this strung out kid even know? How would he know that Harry was a wizard even? Here is what he said..
page 135 Storm Front, hardback
--- Quote ---"Wizard!" he trumpeted. "Wizard! I see you! I see you, wizard! I see the things that follow, those who walk before and He Who Walks Behind! They come, they come for you!"
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For starters if the is a regular vanilla kid who happens to be strung out on Three Eye, yes he maybe
able to see some stuff out of the ordinary, but it won't give a name to what he is seeing. He wouldn't know either a wizard or an Outsider if he saw one, let along call out the Outsider by name, which he did.
spiritofair:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 08, 2020, 03:42:43 PM --- But the point is, how would this strung out kid even know? How would he know that Harry was a wizard even? Here is what he said..
page 135 Storm Front, hardback
For starters if the is a regular vanilla kid who happens to be strung out on Three Eye, yes he maybe
able to see some stuff out of the ordinary, but it won't give a name to what he is seeing. He wouldn't know either a wizard or an Outsider if he saw one, let along call out the Outsider by name, which he did.
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Good point! Did the 3-eye give an outsider access to mortals? If so, holy cow!
morriswalters:
Wrong point of view. In Storm Front Jim has Harry use the Third Eye. His wizard sight. The kid is seeing the real Harry by using the drug to see the same effect.
--- Quote ---For reasons I don't have time to go into now, I am marked, indelibly, with the remnants of the presence of a hunter-spirit, a sort of spectral hit man known as He Who Walks Behind. I had beaten long odds in surviving the enemy of mine who had called up He Who Walks Behind and sent him after me—but even though the hunter-spirit had never gotten to me, the mark could still be seen upon me by those who knew how, by using the Third Sight, stretching out behind me like a long and horribly shaped shadow. Sort of a spiritual scar to remind me of the encounter.
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Jim is still feeling out the mechanics. He also refers to He Who Walks Behind as a hunter spirit. And little Amanda Beckitt was shot in a shootout between some Jamaicans and Marcone's thugs.
--- Quote ---Murphy's jaw tensed, little motions at the corners of her face. Then she said, "Greg and Helen Beckitt. Three years ago, their daughter, Amanda, was killed in a cross fire. Johnny Marcone's thugs were shooting it out with some of the Jamaican gang that was trying to muscle in on the territory back then. One of them shot the little girl. She lived for three weeks in intensive care and died when they took her off life support."
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Early days and some serious retconning in later books.
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 09, 2020, 12:49:35 AM ---Wrong point of view. In Storm Front Jim has Harry use the Third Eye. His wizard sight. The kid is seeing the real Harry by using the drug to see the same effect ...
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Yep! So the mundane kid had an artificially-induced Third Eye. It saw Harry as a wizard, and it saw HWWBh's mark on him. Nothing specifically and only known by HWWBh and/or Harry, but definitely Third Eye material, stuff that could only be seen that way.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 09, 2020, 12:49:35 AM --- ... Jim is still feeling out the mechanics. He also refers to He Who Walks Behind as a hunter spirit...
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Nope. Harry pretty explicitly didn't know HWWBh was an Outsider, at this point.
One of Harry's Supernatural Hottie Crew (Lash, IIRC, in White Night?) breaks the news to Harry that his earlier duel with HWWBh was actually a duel with an Outsider (and one of the more badass of them, at that).
Mira:
--- Quote ---Wrong point of view. In Storm Front Jim has Harry use the Third Eye. His wizard sight. The kid is seeing the real Harry by using the drug to see the same effect.
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Wrong! This is the kid relaying this knowledge to Harry, which shocks the hell out of Harry. Here is what Harry is saying on the next page.
--- Quote ---But only a wizard had that kind of vision, the abilty to sense the auras and manifestation of magical phenomena. And that junkie was no wizard,
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The problem is the kid while yeah, seeing all this stuff maybe, wouldn't have a clue of what he was seeing. He might be able with the drug to see creatures etc following Harry, but he shouldn't be
able to call it out by it's name, He Who Walks Behind. He might see something is very different about Harry looking though the Three Eye, but since he doesn't know any wizards how does he know he is a wizard? He has no point of reference because he has never been part of that world.
--- Quote ---Yep! So the mundane kid had an artificially-induced Third Eye. It saw Harry as a wizard, and it saw HWWBh's mark on him. Nothing specifically and only known by HWWBh and/or Harry, but definitely Third Eye material, stuff that could only be seen that way.
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Perhaps seen that way, but the kid still shouldn't be able to put a name on them because it is beyond
his experience. It is like a cave man being dumped in our time and exposed to air planes and cars, he might describe them after a fashion but he wouldn't say, "oh look at the air plane and oh look at the car.." Because these things do not exist with in his experience.
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