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Which mortal might become nemfected?
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Your speculation doesn't appear to match the text. Michael tells Harry that if he gives up his magic that the shadow will fade.
This quote tells you two things. One that someone has done it, else why did Michael suggest it. And given that we have some idea of how long Charity's magic took to dwindle, we know that they must have carried it for at least as long as Harry.
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Actually, the quote you cited doesn't tell us either of these things. There was a thread a while back dealing with this, and with the fact that Michael also said, during Small Favor, that no one had ever gotten rid of a Shadow without taking up the Coin: https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,52773.0.html
The short version is that it was eventually concluded that no one had ever gotten rid of a Shadow by giving up their magic, and that Michael a) knew it was possible because TWG told him; or b) told Harry to give up his magic because, due to the way that hellfire was entwined with it, using his magic would reinforce the Shadow's influence on him. (Note that the thread this comes from is 11 pages long, so this is a very abbreviated summary.)
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Michael in PG ---“Give up the coin of your own will. And set aside your power. If you do, Lasciel’s shadow will dwindle with it and waste away.”
“What do you mean, set aside my power?”
“Walk away from your magic,” he said. “Forsake it. Forever.”
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--- Quote from: Michael in PG ---“I don’t know of another way to end Lasciel’s influence, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one out there. If you should change your mind about the coin, Harry, if you want to get rid of it, I promise that I’ll be there for you.”
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Obviously Michael's assertion isn't quite as absolute in Small Favor as it seems to be and is more about Harry's strange behavior then about anything else. Harry's friends are doing an intervention. As I said Lash getting burned out of Harry's head is a Black Swan event. No one expected it.
--- Quote ---The theory was developed by Nassim Nicholas Taleb to explain:
The disproportionate role of high-profile, hard-to-predict, and rare events that are beyond the realm of normal expectations in history, science, finance, and technology.(and Magic!!!)
The non-computability of the probability of the consequential rare events using scientific methods (owing to the very nature of small probabilities).
The psychological biases that blind people, both individually and collectively, to uncertainty and to a rare event's massive role in historical affairs.
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Mira:
--- Quote ---Obviously Michael's assertion isn't quite as absolute in Small Favor as it seems to be and is more about Harry's strange behavior then about anything else. Harry's friends are doing an intervention. As I said Lash getting burned out of Harry's head is a Black Swan event. No one
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Part of Michael's advice or the way I read it, he assumes that Harry actually accepted the coin, which he hadn't.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Obviously Michael's assertion isn't quite as absolute in Small Favor as it seems to be and is more about Harry's strange behavior then about anything else. Harry's friends are doing an intervention.
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I am really very definitely not having this argument again. It was fun the first time, but I doubt there's anything new to say about it.
I only brought it up in relation to the line in Small Favor where Michael states very definitely that no one has ever gotten rid of a Shadow without taking up a Coin, and how the contradiction between that line and the one in Proven Guilty can be resolved without requiring Michael to lie (since not lying is such a fundamental character trait of Michael).
...Unless someone is saying that Michael was lying in Small Favor. That might actually be an interesting discussion, if anyone could find reason or evidence for it.
Avernite:
Going back to the last post of the previous page, arguing Thomas as Nemfected option...
Nothing would throw the world in chaos like someone unmasking the Venatori (the real ones), and if Nemesis is what we think it is, throwing the world into chaos must be its priority (see also the attack on Demonreach). So IF Thomas was Nemfected, Nemesis would almost have to keep it low-level to prevent anyone finding out. It wants to find the Venatori. So that part kinda checks out.
Of course it then also follows that Lara is its next target; but, who would've infected Thomas, and wouldn't they rather have gotten Lara directly then? Thomas offers a stronger link to Harry, sure, but a weaker one to the Venatori... unless of course we should blame Lea/Winter agents for his infection too, since they have been obsessed with Harry since forever (but at least since Summer Knight).
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