The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Which mortal might become nemfected?
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 16, 2019, 01:10:15 AM --- Just a note. Both Nicodemus and Michael make exactly the same error in judgement, based on, what I suppose is prior experience. They assume that the Shadow can't be removed.
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We know for a fact that Michael's knowledge is incomplete, but we can presume that Anduriel's is the best on Earth (and also presume it's fully-available to Nic).
I repeat: having a shadow for that long is an unknown feat. NOBODY saw that one coming!
Yuillegan:
Nobody? Not TWG, the Archangels, the Mothers, anyone else with foresight?
And pretty sure that Vadderung said he knew more than Anduriel.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: g33k on December 16, 2019, 02:00:55 AM ---We know for a fact that Michael's knowledge is incomplete, but we can presume that Anduriel's is the best on Earth (and also presume it's fully-available to Nic).
I repeat: having a shadow for that long is an unknown feat. NOBODY saw that one coming!
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Your speculation doesn't appear to match the text. Michael tells Harry that if he gives up his magic that the shadow will fade.
--- Quote from: Proven Guilty ---“Give up the coin of your own will. And set aside your power. If you do, Lasciel’s shadow will dwindle with it and waste away.”
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This quote tells you two things. One that someone has done it, else why did Michael suggest it. And given that we have some idea of how long Charity's magic took to dwindle, we know that they must have carried it for at least as long as Harry.
Also given that Anduriel doesn't have intellectus and assuming that the fallen can only communicate with each other when they have a rider and are in communication, then Anduriel's knowledge would have gaps as well.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on December 16, 2019, 11:55:53 AM --- Nobody? Not TWG, the Archangels, the Mothers, anyone else with foresight?
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Nobody who has appeared "onscreen," who has given any indication within canon on the issue.
But sure... presumably the Almighty is always aware of this sort of thing!
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on December 16, 2019, 11:55:53 AM --- And pretty sure that Vadderung said he knew more than Anduriel.
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That doesn't mean Vadderung's knowledge is a strict superset of Anduriel's knowledge. Anduriel may (probably does) know stuff that Vadderung does not (and, obviously, vice versa).
Stuff about Denarian Shadows is probably among the small set of information where the Fallen are more-informed than Vadderung.
Supernatural tac-ops is probably an area where -- broadly speaking -- Vadderung is more-informed than the Fallen are.
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 16, 2019, 03:28:58 PM ---Your speculation doesn't appear to match the text. Michael tells Harry that if he gives up his magic that the shadow will fade.
--- Quote ---“Give up the coin of your own will. And set aside your power. If you do, Lasciel’s shadow will dwindle with it and waste away.”
--- End quote ---
This quote tells you two things. One that someone has done it, else why did Michael suggest it. And given that we have some idea of how long Charity's magic took to dwindle, we know that they must have carried it for at least as long as Harry.
Also given that Anduriel doesn't have intellectus and assuming that the fallen can only communicate with each other when they have a rider and are in communication, then Anduriel's knowledge would have gaps as well.
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This brings up a very interesting point (TYVM). I'm going to start another thread based on your insights here!
But to this point: Michael tells Harry how to disempower the shadow AND the wizard, not JUST the Shadow.
What Harry did (that hadn't been done before) was continue to operate and grow in power without ever actually DOING anything about the Shadow. He put the coin into a circle; occasionally he threatened to "lock" the shadow in a cage of his will. But he did none of the other things (not only did he NOT set aside his power, he ALSO never turned his coin over to the Church) that he knew (or had reason to hope) might otherwise weaken the Shadow's presence in his mind.
This is the thing -- continuing to exercise his power and will... AND his pride and other sins; all while the Shadow was active -- that makes Harry's achievement unique.
As demonstrated by Nic and Anduriel, and explicitly stated by Lash: it had never been done.
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