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Which mortal might become nemfected?
Yuillegan:
Well as stated above by Kindler and others, there is no evidence at all that Mortal's cannot be infected by Nemesis. That is pure speculation, as it isn't even implied in any canon or WOJ. The theory behind it has been explained, and is understandable, but is a poor premise to build off. Which isn't saying it might not be true - but the jury is WAY out.
Q1:
Yes, and I believe it has already happened. As Arjan points out and I have theorized before, Nemesis cannot spread like an epidemic otherwise it probably would have. Which means targets have to fit quite specific criteria in order to become infected. Whilst I agree that many of the "bad" villains are not necessarily infected, I expect quite a few are. Perhaps even (at least) one per book.
Q2:
Likely already infected suspects include: Cowl, Elaine, Simon, Justin, Peabody, Kumori (assuming she isn't Elaine), Cristos, Tessa, Rosanna.
Possible already infected suspects: Victor Sells, Agent Denton, Leonid Kravos. Yes, Lily might be an unreliable source but so far is the only person to have actually pointed out suspects in the entire series (apart from the Mothers). But also because of their behaviour prior the taking on power. They started out good, but twisted against their nature. And from a purely Doylist POV - it makes sense that each case is connected in this series. Nemesis is the connection.
Possibly are/were/will be: Ebenezar, Rashid, the Merlin, OG Merlin, Harry's mother, Thomas, Marcone, Hendrics, Murphy, Molly, Nicodemus, any SC (but particularly LtW and Ancient Mai eventually).
And also, there is an excellent reason backed up by evidence WHY Peabody might have chosen to not infect the SC (assuming he was infected, and that he hasn't infected any of them already). The reason is that it might not have wanted to draw attention to itself (particularly with the Gatekeeper around) and so would only infect any of them as a last resort, despite their high value as targets. Maeve and Leah both failed to infect Mab (on balance of probabilities) and therefore there are clearly limits on how easy it is to infect a target.
Why target these individuals? Well SC for their obvious leverage in the supernatural community. Thomas both perhaps for his proximity to the leadership of the White Court AND potentially Harry. Murphy because of Harry. Molly - because she is Winter Lady and close to Harry. The Denarians - because of their power in the supernatural community. Most of it is pretty obvious.
What might be less obvious is why target the lesser individuals like Sells, Denton, Kravos etc. Perhaps Nemesis has a variety of multi-level intricate goals, perhaps it has a very simple goal. Perhaps it has to do with Harry, perhaps not. But considering Nemesis is considered a sapper, I think it is all about opening fully those big ol' Outer Gates. Then the Outsider forces rush in and destroy everything. And perhaps each individual it infects has a chance to help aid that primary objective.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on December 09, 2019, 03:12:33 AM --- Well as stated above by Kindler and others, there is no evidence at all that Mortal's cannot be infected by Nemesis. That is pure speculation, as it isn't even implied in any canon or WOJ.
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ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
But also, and equally: there is no evidence at all that Mortal's can be infected by Nemesis.
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on December 09, 2019, 03:12:33 AM --- The theory behind it has been explained, and is understandable, but is a poor premise to build off.
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Again: equally correct.
I literally think it's a coin toss either way. I see Doylist advantages AND disadvantages to Jim Butcher with either decision; I see in-canon arguments to be made that this or that is evidence one way or the other.
Anything built upon either supposition (mortals' immunity, or vulnerability) is the WAGiest of WAGs, being (imho) grounded on no more than the toss of a coin.
I am, BTW, providing coins (if anyone wants to toss 'em and WAG away!)...
What? No, no, no hint of antiquity, silver or blackening... not at all...
Mira:
--- Quote --- Well as stated above by Kindler and others, there is no evidence at all that Mortal's cannot be infected by Nemesis. That is pure speculation, as it isn't even implied in any canon or WOJ.
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
But also, and equally: there is no evidence at all that Mortal's can be infected by Nemesis.
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There is however in the the person of Elaine and possibly Justin, that if the conditions are
right mortals can be carriers not unlike the knife was, of the infection.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 09, 2019, 11:56:45 AM --- ... There is however in the the person of Elaine and possibly Justin, that if the conditions are right mortals can be carriers not unlike the knife was, of the infection.
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Agreed! It's one of my favorite WAGs. I'd argue, in fact, that the Doylist case is VERY strong for Elaine:
* We actually SAW (on-screen!) when Lea got Nemfected. I thing Elaine's story (of Justin's Enthrallment-spell, Harry's duel, and Elaine "breaking semi-free and running away confused and frightened") is actually us seeing, indirectly, Aurora's Nemfection, too.
* Nemfected-Elaine will be hard on Harry... and as we all know, being hard on Harry makes Jim Butcher cackle with maniacal glee.
* Writing critical scenes in ONE book, that we only understand in retrospect in LATER books, is also something that makes Jim Butcher cackle with maniacal glee; I think Elaine's telling is "gleeful" for Jim.I don't think it's evidence either way, however, as to whether mortals can only be carriers, or can actually be "Nemfected" themselves.
Also, it primarily works for Elaine if Justin was himself a Nemvector; if Justin wasn't the vector for Elaine, then Elaine being a vector becomes vastly less explainable. Either both are Nemvectors, or neither are.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 09, 2019, 11:56:45 AM --- There is however in the the person of Elaine and possibly Justin, that if the conditions are
right mortals can be carriers not unlike the knife was, of the infection.
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Not sure I follow. All I know is that Aurora was nemfected, probably, and Elaine was around Aurora. But we don't know if Elaine took anything (beyond her amulet) to Aurora; maybe she did?
And there were others around Aurora too, like say some highly powerful second-in-command Fae like Talos, and we also have evidence elsewhere of second-in-command Fae infecting Ladies.
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