The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Elaine, Trojan Horse? "It was the knife..."
morriswalters:
It's odd don't you think, that everyone knew, but Harry? Mab certainly did. And so did Rashid. Harry made sure he couldn't know. And what was Mab's most telling point? It was that she had put Molly out of the reach of the Council, something that Harry couldn't do. Mab doesn't blame Harry, she simply juxtaposes what she had done to Molly against what Harry had been responsible for.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Kindler on October 30, 2019, 06:16:50 PM ---Harry's insistence that the WC should be finding these budding wizards/potential warlocks applies to an organization with access to way more resources than Harry will ever have.
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Also way more targets. If Harry can't find one in the closest group of children he has to a family, what hope does anyone have of scoring a 100% among people that don't know them who would rather keep their kids away from the weirdo in a robe.
Of course there was a Fallen Angel twisting Harry's mind at the time, so we can't be SURE it was all Harry.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Avernite on October 30, 2019, 06:46:39 PM ---Also way more targets. If Harry can't find one in the closest group of children he has to a family, what hope does anyone have of scoring a 100% among people that don't know them who would rather keep their kids away from the weirdo in a robe.
Of course there was a Fallen Angel twisting Harry's mind at the time, so we can't be SURE it was all Harry.
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Harry hadn't been around this family for a couple of years because of Michael and Lasciel's shadow in his head. If you are going to blame anyone, blame Charity who kept her talent and resultant run in with possible warlockhood to herself. She was so against it there was no way Molly could have gone to her when it first happened. If she hero worshiped Harry to the extent that Mab claimed, you'd think she would have, but she didn't.. Like the Korean Kid, out of ignorance or arrogance kept her talent to herself.
--- Quote ---It's odd don't you think, that everyone knew, but Harry? Mab certainly did. And so did Rashid. Harry made sure he couldn't know. And what was Mab's most telling point? It was that she had put Molly out of the reach of the Council, something that Harry couldn't do. Mab doesn't blame Harry, she simply juxtaposes what she had done to Molly against what Harry had been responsible for.
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Rashid didn't even know Molly until she was well grown, I doubt that he would have ignored her budding warlockhood. Then again if he was in the know about her, why didn't he put his head on the line for her and teach her himself? No, Harry couldn't make Molly the Winter Lady, but he did save her head and put his own on the line to save it. Also the only one who could have ended her time under the Doom was Molly. She never completely reformed as we saw in Turn Coat.
--- Quote ---Harry's insistence that the WC should be finding these budding wizards/potential warlocks applies to an organization with access to way more resources than Harry will ever have.
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Yes, and there in lies the problem.. The whole magical world is undercover, there is no serious education on the problem. So a kid like the Korean Kid or Molly slip through the cracks and don't show up on any radar until it is too late or nearly too late, damage is done and they lose their heads.
Charity says in Proven Guilty that her talent started to show when she was about sixteen. It appears that that was about the time that Molly's talent began to show as well. Harry wasn't around the family at that time, so how could he know? Because she came close to losing her own head, she had received warnings from Wardens, Charity tried to tell her how dangerous it was to mess with. Her answer was for Molly never to use it and it would go away, Molly disagreed and ran away from home. Molly didn't go to Harry for help, and neither did Charity. Not even Michael knew that Charity had talent and nearly went warlock.
I believe you are confusing "mistakes" Harry made by being too gentle with Molly's training with her going warlock before she became his apprentice. The first he is responsible for, the second he is not.
morriswalters:
--- Quote ---Rashid didn't even know Molly until she was well grown, I doubt that he would have ignored her budding warlockhood. Then again if he was in the know about her, why didn't he put his head on the line for her and teach her himself? No, Harry couldn't make Molly the Winter Lady, but he did save her head and put his own on the line to save it. Also the only one who could have ended her time under the Doom was Molly. She never completely reformed as we saw in Turn Coat.
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I suspect the Gatekeeper doesn't have the spare time to teach an apprentice. However had he not intervened, along with Mab, Molly would have been shortened. Do you think it was an accident that one of Molly's victims was in the can when Pell was attacked in Proven Guilty?
Also isn't a ounce of prevention better than a pound of cure.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 30, 2019, 09:20:57 PM ---I suspect the Gatekeeper doesn't have the spare time to teach an apprentice. However had he not intervened, along with Mab, Molly would have been shortened. Do you think it was an accident that one of Molly's victims was in the can when Pell was attacked in Proven Guilty?
Also isn't a ounce of prevention better than a pound of cure.
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That is no excuse on the Gatekeeper's part, it is the same excuse that the Merlin gave Harry about the Korean Kid. So the result is, lots of potential wizards go warlock and get the chop because the wizards don't have the time. So yeah, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, but if he didn't have the time he could have given Harry a heads up about Molly. It was still Harry that faced off against the Merlin at her trial, it was Harry that insisted that the Gatekeeper cast his vote, he took the hint and stalled for time because as a Senior Council member he was the only one that could. But until Harry's insistence he kept silent, he said nothing when Morgan moved to chop her head off until Harry insisted he cast his vote.
You are still missing the point, Harry hadn't had any contact with the Carpenter family for two years.
Charity never let anyone know, not even Michael that she ever had magical talent that might be passed on. When her talent manifested itself all she wanted Molly to do was abandon it. She never asked Harry for help with Molly, because of her own fears and prejudices against magic.
We've seen in Ghost Story that Mab is very capable of twisting things if it helps her to control Harry. As Uriel told him, Mab was lying she cannot control him liked she claimed. She is twisting the truth here as well, he isn't responsible for Molly going warlock. Yes, she was into hero worship and had a major teen aged crush on Harry, but that isn't his fault. Unless you are saying he shouldn't have saved Charity's life, helped Michael fight evil, recover from serious wounds at their house, let them name their youngest for him. If Molly had turned out vanilla human, it would all have come to nothing. If Harry had known it was possible that she had talent, he may have conducted himself a little differently towards her, but since Charity kept her secret and more or less forbade any serious debate, especially from him about magic. It didn't happen. In the end it still may not have made any difference. One good reason why Mab was putting the guild trip on Harry is she might fear the Molly/Harry combo, they could threaten her or at least mount successful challenges to her rule.
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