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Elaine's Necklace, Where Did It Come From?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on October 08, 2019, 03:02:05 PM ---Them being related is a goid idea. Maybe not siblings, but distant cousins. Ebenezar is quite old. He could easily have fathered more than one child. There could be generations in between.
Do we actually know, who gave it to Elaine? Was it Justin or one of her unknown parents?
Or did Harry make one for her? That would change the meaning.
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Yeah, but Jim's answer is kind of a non-answer.. Kind of like his sing-song," I'm not going to tell you..." Ideas rooted in the same place? What does that mean? I'd forgotten about Thomas, but then again did Margaret wear both necklaces? One for show and one for blow? Did Eb give her the two that she had? No where is it mentioned that Eb wears a pentacle necklace.. There are a couple of good reasons for that, 1] he doesn't want or wasn't ready until recently for Harry, the Council, or anyone else to know his real relationship to Harry. 2] Eb and Margaret's mother wore them during their marriage, he in turn passed both on to Margaret to give to her children... However that still doesn't explain Elaine.
Regenbogen:
Aaah, so we can speculate here as much as we want. No theory will be confirmed until written by Himself in one of the next books.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 08, 2019, 03:12:19 PM --- Yeah, but Jim's answer is kind of a non-answer.. Kind of like his sing-song," I'm not going to tell you..." Ideas rooted in the same place? What does that mean? I'd forgotten about Thomas, but then again did Margaret wear both necklaces? One for show and one for blow? Did Eb give her the two that she had? No where is it mentioned that Eb wears a pentacle necklace.. There are a couple of good reasons for that, 1] he doesn't want or wasn't ready until recently for Harry, the Council, or anyone else to know his real relationship to Harry. 2] Eb and Margaret's mother wore them during their marriage, he in turn passed both on to Margaret to give to her children... However that still doesn't explain Elaine.
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What Jim was referring to seems pretty obvious to me. When Harry talks about his pentacle he talks about it being five elements (Fire, Water, Earth Air and Spirit) bound within a circle of Will. Which means at least to some extent, Elaine believes in that level of restraint too. Consider the symbol in Small Favor and a Fistful of Warlocks - magic without restraint. Elaine is hardly an anarchist - a bit sketchy but seems like she does intend to help people.
As to why a few people have them - that much is also pretty obvious. It is far from a unique magic symbol to Harry's family. One of the most common there is. So Elaine having one isn't weird if she made it whilst working for Justin. So I suspect that Margaret made them for all her children as she wanted them to have something to remember her by (I think she knew she might not be around for them). Question really is: how did Dresden get his? He didn't know magic was real until Justin. If Malcolm gave it to him then I would say probably he just said here is a nice necklace from Mom. But if not, then Justin had them. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Maggie and Justin knew each other - in fact I suspect they worked together at one time or another. Perhaps it was no coincidence that Justin adopted her child. Unless you suspect he wasn't really adopting at all...and Elaine and Harry are his children. But that is tinfoil hat stuff (I mean Margaret is perhaps tall for a women, but Eb hardly is tall, and Malcolm is never described as a giant either - so where does Harry's height come from? Perhaps his real dad).
Of course the most likely answer is that Butcher accidentally has made an error, and that originally the pentacle was from Harry's mother but then he accidentally retconned and decided that Justin taught Elaine and Harry how to make them as part of their apprenticeship (or the other way round). But that is the least fun explanation.
Edit* Earlier I said I suspected that Margaret and Justin knew each other - this is actually canon. In Summer Knight Eb mentions it with Harry when talking about Maggie's death at Lord Raith's hands.
spiritofair:
It's the "identical to his own" part that trips me up. He described Thomas's the same way.
Seems to me either (1) a mistake on Jim's part (he originally meant for Elaine and Harry to have them because Justin gave them to them, then he forgot about that and had Thomas have one, too), (2) Elaine is a third child of Maggie (ick, but, hey, DuMorne was a messed up dude, and maybe this was a way to mess with them... Elaine is pretty tall and lean, which could imply sibling to Harry... fraternal twin?), (3) Maggie was somehow involved in Elaine in another way... such as maybe Maggie isn't dead and knew Elaine's parents), or (4) those amulets were a symbol used by the group Maggie was involved in and Maggie gave one to each of her sons and Elaine's parents or DuMorne (assuming he was also in the group) gave her one.
Elaine has a pretty strong talent. Her mother may have been a wizard. Harry has never speculated, that I remember, on Elaine's parentage, just says she was an orphan. As icky as it sounds, I suspect (2) was the plan, but maybe it will never come to fruition. Who knows.
g33k:
Harry's and Thomas' pentacles were stated to be identical and to both come from their mother.
Elaine's is said -- IIRC -- to be very similar, rather than identical. But we don't know the origin.
I'm going with the idea that Harry and Elaine crafted one together, so she'd have something that matched something of his. 2nd choice would be created by Justin.
Emotionally, I like the idea that maybe Elaine got hers from her mom, who was maybe a sister or cousin (or somesuch) of Margaret McCoy LeFay Raith Dresden. Logically, I don't see it as likely: Harry was deeply emotionally attached to his mom's pentacle amulet, and if Elaine had a nearly-identical amulet also from her mom, that'd have been a beyond-coincidental topic they both bonded over and talked-up and etc etc etc; we'd have heard about such a remarkable parallel.
So I'm going with a non-mom origin for Elaine's, but something-in-common since they're so similar. So Elaine's was made to be as much like Harry's as their amateur-jeweler skills could get.
--- Quote from: Mira on October 08, 2019, 12:52:41 PM --- One more point, once Harry is more or less confirmed to be a star born, he is gifted with the jewel to put in it with the road map of the Ways, why not before?
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Before Harry was as skilled and experienced as he was then, it would have been a death-sentence.
The Ways that Margaret LeFey had mapped were not safe Ways, they were only Ways that a skilled and powerful wizard should attempt.
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